jean carroll cases against trump if trump takes the witness stand. if donald trump testifies in the case, the district attorney would refer to the e. jean carroll cases in cross- examination this way. quote, jury awarded e. jean carroll $83 million in compensatory and punitive damages for defamatory statements defendant made about her. defendant sexually abused e. jean carroll and jury awarded the plaintiff $2,020,000 and compensatory and punitive damages on her sexual abuse claim. the district attorney will also use a finding in a lawsuit that donald trump filed against hillary clinton quote, court sanctioned the defendant and ordered him to pay $937,989 in fees for filing a frivolous, bad faith lawsuit. the court held, quote, he is the mastermind of strategic abuse of the judicial process and he cannot be seen as a litigant blindly following the advice of a lawyer. the district attorney would also use the criminal conviction of the trump business, people versus the trump corporation. quote trump corporation and trump payroll corp. convicted of 17 f

you pointed out, not only the e jean carroll ruling, right. one of the things that they got into a big back-and-forth over is the prosecution wants to be able to cite the earlier civil fraud judgment against the former president and one of the things that they're but the defense is saying is that look, that is a civil proceeding the standard of evidence, a standard of of that you need to prove for the judge to rule in favor of the prosecution is much lower. it's just a preponderance of evidence as opposed to a criminal trial where you have to have beyond a reasonable doubt doubt. and so defense is saying that's just not fair. and so is they're pointing out that if you do that, then we should be able to bring in some of the various problems. is mike michael cohen as a witness as well. and so that's going back in for the judge saying we're not going to mix apples and oranges here as part of his decision-making in so we expect it's going to keep keep going for at least another hour. yeah. it's been a fascinating back-and-forth jeremy, herb and ka

jean carroll example.hink things having to do with civil fraud, what is the standard for by the judge decides what is the line? >> it's a balancing test. every defendant has a right to testify on his own behalf. but if he chooses to do that the jury has a right to know what that is. it's a balancing test. you don't want the jury to convict this defendant so you look for prior bad acts that go to whether a person puts his own interest ahead of society. that's the phrase. >> donald trump? well, i mean just like the person we're describing here like those he put his own interest over the interest of society? >> never thought of it that way. it's a 50-year-old case. we also see the line over and over but what you do is you are looking for crimes that go to theft, fraud, lying. >> as it just crimes? >> it doesn't have to be convictions. it can be bad acts in their life that go to this particular issue. >> but i hear the term presidential -- present prejudicial. >> overly prejudicial. the judge needs to balance.

and we saw that in the e jean carroll case. the second one where there was a jury and then he was present for and he was clearly trying to make eye contact. he was trying to smile at people. he believes he is his own best salesman and that he thinks that some of these folks are his supporters. now what we saw in the e jean carroll case is it took that jury exactly a few hours to render a judgment of $83 against him so i don't think his sales abilities work so well there i do think you're going to see him try to do something similar to your point about he could go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole. i'm confident his lawyers have told him that, but at the end of the day, he is ultimately the person who is on trial. and as you know, a lot of defenses since not just him want to defend themselves and they want to they want to argue in their favor. and i think that his lawyers are going to be hard pressed to stop and if he really decides that's what he's interests, they want their body language to speak for them. they don't want to

jean carroll suits for defamation, again, e. jean carroll won against donald trump.s well as what the findings were from the judge especially in that civil fraud case where the judge said trump violated a gag order and that he had testified under oath untruthfully. they're talking about bringing up the criminal tax fraud prosecution against the trump organization, a lawsuit from years ago that trump had filed against hillary clinton and others that ultimately resulted in sanctions against trump because it was deemed too frivolous and a bathe lawsuit. does all that -- a bad faith lawsuit. does all that sound like fair game? >> what they're bringing up in the priority acts is to get surgical on it, focusing on the untruthfulness that's contained in those acts. it may not be so much the fact that there was a lawsuit with e. jean carroll, it may be the fraudulent or false statements that he made. it isn't so much the fraud trial brought by the new york attorney general, it's that he may have given false or fraudulent testimony. that's really when we zoom in, that's what

jean carroll case. that was extraordinarily dry testimony, designed to authenticate really basic things that these were in fact, for example, real videos of donald trump on the campaign trail, denying these women. or when e. jean carroll testified that he was married to melania, that that was his real and true statement as transcribed by a court reporter. when we get to keith davidson, we're riding the roller coaster again. we had some really classic testimony this morning important to prosecutors because it connects the dots, now we're on the roller coaster ride again. i suspect when he talks about the texts with dillon howard, we're going to see some sensational content, particularly as we near the closing of both of these deals. first with karen mcdougal and then later with stormy daniels, when sue and i were talking about the people that work at first republic earlier and cohen's rush to get that done, that shows and proves, you know, there is a paper trail down to the minute in emails showing how f

it was in the e jean carroll okay. is he stepped up there, it was very quick, very brief. he just wanted to answer one question and then got off the stand. let's remember what this case is about at its heart, a very salacious topic, donald trump and alleged affair with a porn star, then hush money payments to cover up that alleged affair. that is not something donald trump wants to talk about or answer questions on. >> yeah, that's a good point. you're making an excellent point. the shan wu is with us as well. we're looking ahead to the opening arguments, the opening statements on monday, assuming that happens on monday how do you think the manhattan district attorney's team will approach these opening statements? >> i think they'll try and keep it to a very simple story, which is, we're going to tell you about payments. we're going to talk about how they lied about the payments were gonna tell you why the lied about them and by focusing on that very simple narrative then you have the documents to prove those things and then you also have the witnesses who will kind of giv

jean carroll. now that's a horrific act but the question is, does that go to his truthfulness or not? and i think the judge is likely to keep that part out of it. again, all of this is if donald trump, alexa, take the stand, but the but bringing in evidenced from that from the e jean carroll case that would be used to show to claim that the former president was lying, right? >> so the way they could try to get the jean carroll piece& is donald top was also found liable for defamation, which requires in order to defame someone, you have to knowingly tell a false out about them. so that would be the argument. >> i mean, do you think there's a world war the defense puts down trump on the stand. i do not and there's a couple of reasons. first of all, if you just went based on movies and tv, every defendant takes us stand, right? it's great drama. it happens quite infrequently in real life. i think it only happened in one case i ever tried it's very rare because it's so risky and donald trump, he did ta

jean carroll defamation case as well as his 450 film dollar $450 million fraud judgment. >> this is a concerted witch hunt. this is a witch hunt by democrat judges. weather is judge kaplan with a person, i have no idea who this person was cut this judge. >> somebody should count the number of times he says witch hunt. but doesn't seem that this list of previous bad acts, does it shake him up? >> yes, i would absolutely say that it shakes them up. i think they would certainly evaluate if they wanted to testify if, in fact, he will be confronted with these prior court rulings. i had the opportunity of sitting in the civil fraud case and the most recent e. jean carroll defamation case and i saw his reaction and during the civil fraud case he sat at the table and consistently shook his head in disagreement about everything that was happening. and then at the e. jean carroll case, when the judge mentioned that he was found by a prior jury of sexually abusing her, he was noticeably displeased. and certainly the fact that the jury would hear these prior rulings but also see his reaction is s

jean carroll. so i think there's a distinction between the numerous sexual allegations lead in in your case and what could be let in in this and we have seen including in the courtroom today, when e. jean carroll came up, trump is shaking his head. you saw the energy, but in the public sphere, we've seen even worse so we've seen the language, we've seen just the caustic things, the hostel, the horrible things he says about her. would that be a gift to prosecutors if he actually took the stand? yeah. look, i think we can all focus on cross-examination what they live and what they don't let in. but i think from prosecutors can put take that all the way. i don't even really care what they let me cross-examined about because it's given his history and what he's done before. i don't know that he can stand up and even on direct appear to be credible in the face of all the other evidence. >> and yet, i've been saying this all week. i'm a contrarian on this issue to a degree. the guy got 77 million votes.

jean carroll.ab women by the [ bleep ] -- >> if you look over the last million years, i guess that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star. >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> and now you said before, couple minutes ago, that this was locker room talk. >> locker room talk. >> does that mean you didn't really mean it? >> no, it's locker room talk. i don't know. it's just the way people talk. >> we are back with vaughn, neil, sue, and rev. that's what he's like on the stand under oath. vaughn hillyard, mail-in ballots, quote, i think they're dishonest. mail-in ballots are very dishonest. isn't it true that you vote by mail? yep, i do, i do. that woman. i don't know her. wait, it's marla? that's my wife. it's e. jean carroll. and then this is just -- epically offensive, which i guess goes to my question for neil, will he or won't he take the stand? is it true that stars can grab women by are the p-word, trump, if you look

jean carroll trial.here, we could expect that the district attorney's office could bring forward in front of him a particular deposition that donald trump perhaps conducted, maybe as it relates to the e. jean carroll trial. folks will recall there's the video deposition that he did as it pertained to the defamation case against him in the e. jean carroll trial in which he was asked explicitly about "access hollywood" among other past alleged affairs. we get a better understanding in the minutes ahead. this is part of the process, some witnesses we didn't hear of before this and that the district attorney's office is bringing up to the stand for the first time. >> david, how do you read this? we just saw this robert browning brought up, c-span archives, to essentially say, yeah, we did record some of trump's speeches and now in this case, this gentleman who is in charge of i guess supplying court reporters and probably transcribed a few of the trump depos -- what's going on? >> not every witness is a form

jean carroll. >> harry, let's get in on what the prosecutors are thinking now. they have to give the name of whoever that person is, and this is what ruth ben-ghiat, who specializes in autocracy. she said i agree with mary trump. some individuals cannot pair the form of being restrained by individuals. they are available outside the courtroom. as soon as that name is released we know what he's going to do. >> well, a few things. first, their nonrelease, it's not a small point. you can guarantee that the two trump lawyers are going to have a hellish weekend. it's one thing to prepare solidly to cross-examine someone you know will be, but it could be anyone at all. that's a serious sort of sanction for his misbehavior. but second, yes, it is exactly as you say, there's been on the one hand, judge merchan made quick work of things, but yet there are these eruptions of kind of chaos and stress and we have almost a tale of two trials. and as it goes forward, those will be the sort of high points that people remember and this trial could be really freighted going forw

jean carroll a liar get you back in court to pay more damages.d of he's saying, this was an unfair process, the judge had it out for me, that's probably not going to be defamation. although when it comes to defamation it's in the eye of the beholder. reasonable minds can differ on what is or is not defamation. beyond the words, you look at the facts, so does trump get away with this statement? maybe, but he is playing with fire. every time he talks about the e. jean carroll case. >> your thoughts on this, why would this guy, we know he has no discipline, no message discipline, he has his vitriolic hate for people who go after him, women who try to hold them accountable, and here he is again saying something on truth social about e. jean carroll. >> i think two things are going on, one, he really does have no impulse control, pathological narcissist, among his other problems, he cannot help, that is on easter, that's the other is that donald trump is using his cases to get himself elected, he's making himself a martyr, the deep state is out to get

case to the judge that a series of other trial determined from the civil fraud lawsuit to the e jean carroll lawsuit, there was a couple years ago trump filed a lawsuit against andrea clinton in which he was punished with a $1 million fine for a frivolous lawsuit and they want to present to the jury each of these different trial determinations to question the credibility of donald trump. the district attorney's office argued to the judge, look, the defense attorneys for donald trump are going to question our witnesses and their credibility from michael cohen to stormy daniels, we should be up to build a body of evidence out beyond this case that shows and questions donald trump's veracity of the statements he makes. >> catherine, let's talk a little bit about the jurors. we have 12 jurors. >>, i make one quick, can i make one correction ? it is not to let the defendant know kind of questioning, it is to let the defendant know what prior bad acts they will ask about. the other questions, he's going to be surprised about. anything about, you know, prior judgments or prior bad acts, he has to b

jean carroll was not his wife. there is no telling how much damage he can do to himself on then witness stand and very little good. trump may see it entirely differently. those voter numbers suggest, chris -- this is just going into the trial. this is before there is any public reporting on just how bad this evidence is for donald trump, so surely he'll be concerned that his lawyers will tell him to set that aside and stay off the witness stand. he can only harm himself by testifying. >> let's talk, garrett, a little bit about how many times and in how many ways donald trump has tried to stop this trial from happening or at least delay it. 11 times by our count. he's either tried to get it tossed or delayed. "the new york times" calls these attempts desperate. the approach scatter shot. from what you're hearing in trump world and particularly the legal team, do they think they still have something that might work? >> attempts to delay the trial is less likely to work than the one before it, but you have to remember

f he could not possibly survive questions about e jean carroll, his public attacks on court personnelwith jurors sitting there in the room with court personnel, wondering if donald trump is going to attack those court personnel or those jurors themselves. then there was another powerful indication that donald trump will not, cannot testify in his own defense today and that was when his defense lawyer testified for donald trump. saying this, "i expect that you will learn that when ms. daniels threatened to go public with her false claim of sexual encounter with the president trump back in 2008, that it was, as the people just said, very close to the election. and it was almost an attempt by ms. clifford, ms. daniels to extort president trump to which prosecutors said objection and the judge sustained. " there is donald trump's criminal defense lawyer saying donald trump never had a sexual encounter with stormy daniels. stormy daniels has publicly described in detail. donald trump was alone in a hotel room with stormy daniels while donald trump's wife was e home with his four month old

jean carroll case? >> the e.dge kaplan asked some questions that aren't at issue here. we have discussed he asked, do you believe that the 2020 election was stolen? that question was meant to be a proxy for how passionately do you feel that donald trump is in the right and will that prejudice you in a way that you can't hear e. jean carroll's civil claims fairly. there are some different questions here, but i think similarly designed to sus out who has a level of intensity of feeling either pro trump or anti-trump for that matter that would inhibit them from serving as a juror here and dispensing justice fairly and neutrally. >> ashley, the judge is kind of trying to take politics as much as you can when the presumptive nominee for president of the united states, the republican nominee for president of the united states is on trial, trying to take politics out of the questions for these perspective jurors. >> that's right. and it serves as a contrast to what former president trump is doing, which is injecting pol

there's been the e jean carroll trial. there's just a lot in the news and they did a poll, a 400 new yorkers in which they say that a lot of people, more than half said that they thought that trump was guilty. now, the prosecution oppose that, saying, there's nowhere you can go to bring this case where people don't know about it. it's an international story. and they push back and the judge, as you said, ruled pretty quickly afterwards denying this and it will trump's team. tried to make another go at the appeals court and another issue remains to be seen >> the foreign prisoners team, they made some motion about stormy daniels and a subpoena. what does that? >> so there's still trying to enforce some subpoenas that they issued just last month. one is the stormy daniels. they want to know about any communications she's had what about our documentary? any communication she's had was trial witnesses including michael cohen. they've been on podcast together and also, if she's had communications, what were they with? e jean ca

they also want to bring up the two verdicts in the e jean carroll case for the jury awarded her nearly $90 million after finding that trump defamed carroll and also sexually abused her. they also want to mention sanctioned by a judge in a different case where he found that trump filed a frivolous lawsuit against hillary clinton. they also want to bring up a settlement agreement between the trump foundation and the new york attorney general's office. where trump agreed to dissolve that foundation as part of that deal. and i also want to bring up the 2022 tax fraud convictions of two trump organization entities that was just the case that went just before the same judge has justice one, we're sean. they these are all issues they want to be able to confront trump withthe stdard, tried to discredit him.w tru's am has indiced that they're going to oppose me of this. the judge id that he will hold a hearing on these on this issue before he determines what prosecutors are allowed to do. now, that aring it cld be as soon as friday, if they do finish in select a full jury and alternates by frid

they're not going to hear about e jean carroll in the civil fraud case. plus he will be grilled hold on. this case itself. and let me just make another prediction when the moment comes, what i think i'll say in addition to what judge jones said is i'm eager to testify, but my lawyers told me that we did such a good job tearing down the governments. kaye, there's no need and that's what i'm gonna do. >> elie honig, joel huntley taylor. thank you, judge jones, as well. and john miller. thank you. coming up next, could you be fair if you were on a trump jury? miguel marquez puts that question to new yorkers and later multiple explosions and a pro iran based in iraq, just a night after the israeli strike on iran. is there a connection israel just wade in. we're trying to gather as much information as we can. we'll update you ahead. >> okay. we got orders coming. in, starting a business is never easy. a star near eight months pregnant, that's a different story. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground founder. people were showing up le

jean carroll, then you get into sort of more distinct, separate stuff like the frivolous lawsuit against hillary clinton feels like a stretch to me so i think the judge is going to do what we've seen him do quite a lot of which is little bit for the prosecution, little bit for the defense. and then that'll inform donald trump's decision whether he's going to testify. i am still a solid absolutely not. but this may further that decision. >> judge jones, do you see anything wrong with the speed or the proceedings so far? >> no, i don't see anything wrong at all. anderson and as i said last evening, i think any responsible judge is going to try to move this case forward. you have to be concerned about the jurors time and the outside noise that's taking place. i commend, judge, merchan for getting the jury picked. this week. i don't see that that creates a problem at all. the perception may be that it's going too fast. this is typical of a trial when, you know, you're going to be seated for maybe a month or month-and-a-half you need to get busy. i mean, you're taking time out of people's liv

jean carroll and all that stuff, i mean if he goes on the stand he's going to open a lot of that up. and i think the issue is whether or not it's sufficiently probative of his credibility for the prosecution to cross examine him, and it probably will be. so he's not somebody who should go up on the stand. that being said, you know, he's a narcissistic sociopath. he's impulsive. and if he feels on a given day that he has to do it, he could decide to do it and overrule his lawyers. but, you know, at other times he's followed his lawyer's advice. he's followed his lawyers advice during the first e. jean carroll trial basically not to show up, and then he showed up for the second one, and he couldn't contain himself in front of the jury, and that cost him tens of millions of dollars because he basically behaved exactly as the plaintiff was describing him, as somebody who was remorseless, who was ready to say anything, who had contempt for the court's rulings and contempt for the truth. and he just -- you know, he acted outright in front of the jury. and it's going to be a lot harder for

jean carroll's trials, there were some episodes that were reminiscent of what happened today. i don't recall them happening during jury selection themselves, but there were times when lawyers was leaking in the courtroom and he disagreed vociferously with what they were saying, and for demonstrative effect, donald trump pounded the table or shook his head or crossed his arms to indicate his vigorous disagreement with what was being said. and we all know how that story ended. none of the jurors were positively impacted by that performance. in fact, there were jurors in that case who i thought were not at all partial to e. jean carroll, who looked the other way , and when her lawyer was closing, i really thought that something might happen that we weren't expecting. and yet, unanimously, they found for her. that's a long way of saying, you can always read into prospective jurors behavior just based on what a defendant does in the courtroom. >> i'm going to start with where we are and work backwards to where we got here. we got 7 jurors this morning. again, this is not my thing.

it might actually just dirty him up. >> well, he denies doing what e jean carroll accuses him of doing, and a court sided with her, right? i don't know that that's a according to this. does that mean according to the state of new york, donald trump is lying about it could and again, like i said, that becomes the prosecution is trying to make the point that you can't trust this person based on literally what another court in the state has found. so karen, then there's the new york case against it's trump vs clinton where he sued hillary clinton. and former justice department officials claiming they conspired against him in the 2016 campaign, the judge called it a frivolous lawsuit, issued nearly $1 in sanctions against trump and his lawyers should prosecutors be able to bring that up? >> again it goes to credibility and i think what what the prosecutors are going to try to new here like they would in any case when if the defendant chooses to testify, is showed that he is lying and they're going to try to cross-examine him with things to prove that he's lying and look, anytime you have a

he also said the deposition that was taken in the jean carroll case cannot be shown, too presidential. the sandoval hearing, the prosecutors are going to ask for prior bad acts. the general rule is anything beyond ten years is considered too remote. so if they ask for prior bad acts of donald trump beyond that, the judge will probably say, no, that's too remote. i don't know what the 13 bad acts are going to ask for. i doubt the judge is going to allow them to ask any questions about the three opening indictments. he of course has a fifth amendment right and there are three open indictments. they're not convictions. the civil fraud trial he should be -- donald trump could be cross examined not he was found liable of falsifying business records why? because he was charged with that here. but he might be liable in the fact the judge found him not credible. you may recall he was called back on whether he violated the gag order talking the judge's court attorney. and he should be cross examined about the deaf maegz of verdicts, lying about someone twice, jean carroll one verdict and theor

jean carroll case. one of the jurors had identified as somebody who identified as having more right-wing media consumption, and that was unanimous jury verdict in e. jean carroll's favor. so it is possible. >> it is possible, and we're going to find out what happens in just a few days. kristi greenberg, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> coming up what does jared kushner have to do with burger king? a lot as it turns out. that's next. king a lot as it turns out. that's next. anymore? he has something called osteoarthritis pain. it's joint pain that hurts him all the time. come on, scout. now, there's librela. the first and only once-monthly injection to control your dog's oa pain. veterinary professionals administering librela who are pregnant, trying to conceive, or breast feeding, should take extreme care to avoid self-injection, which could cause allergic reactions like anaphylaxis. this is the best day of my life! we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. you think those two ha

this jury will be very different from the last one trump faced during the e jean carroll carroll defamation case. that jerry was in federal court and the jurors came not only from manhattan, but also a diverse array of surrounding counties. this jury will only be drawn from manhattan, where voters overwhelmingly chose joe biden in 2020, nearly 87% to 12% political affiliation >> doesn't necessarily mean right and that's what they're going to have to figure out there may be lots of reasons for somebody to vote for a candidate that don't necessarily de facto translate into a bias for or against the other candidate. the jurors who ultimately get selected will not be known to the public. their names, images, and identity cities will not be released even though lawyers on both sides will know their names. dr. ellis says trump's attorneys and prosecutors will have to be on high alert for any potential juror who might hide their true feelings in an effort to ultimately up and deliver operations. i'm not a big >> believer that stealth jurors are everywhere, but in a case like this, there's definite

jean carroll case. and you have to have strong people in the judiciary, articulately this judge, judge merchan, was a no-nonsense and very tough judge that is not going to take this . i think these people are showing the world that you can stand up to donald trump, and that's with the justice system has been doing. it's been a little slow. it is slow going. the justice takes time. but i think finally, we are beginning to see that people can stand up to donald trump when it comes down to donald trump versus the law versus society -- society better win. and that's what this is about. this is about whether one man can change the rules of the game and control the rules of the game, and completely destroy and undermine the rule of law. and justice merchan here is saying, no, that's not how this works . we all need to stick up for the court and the court system and the prosecutors and, you know, second this and support this, because this -- donald trump is threatening the entire judicial process and the entir

jean carroll.s happening. again, that could get lowered a bit. i don't think it's going to get lowered all the way to zero or anywhere close. so if you lend money to donald trump, especially given his track record, i think that might not have been the best idea. >> put that money to some other uses. like all things with donald trump, how long do you think this is going to take ? is there something that, you know, we should be looking at being dragged out, or is this something that could get turned around pretty quickly? >> yeah. donald trump's biggest weapon when he is trying to evade justice -- i talk about this a ton in my book, is delay. ultimately, what are all these distractions? the clown car full of lawyers. what is he trying to do here? he's just trying to throw sand into the gears of justice. try to actually stop it from happening, and that he hopes that this is going to cause other things to break his way. and in the context of the election, it's hoping that it's going to allow him someho

jean carroll.e will decide exactly what the jury will be allowed to hear. >> basically go through the judge rules on what things the defendant can be cross examined on, prior offenses, prior litigation, prior stuff that goes to the defendant's credibility. he is not going to like listening to all that. >> meanwhile, trump's republican allies in congress suffered a major blow this afternoon. house gop's impeachment of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas died in the senate. and things are not looking great for speaker mike johnson who just a few days ago was huddling up with trump at mar-a- lago. but now, he risks losing his job. johnson has outraged the far right again by pushing separate bills to help ukraine, israel, and taiwan. the aid package has a $5 billion price tag. with that, let's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel tonight. nbc news washington correspondent joins us, and a new political contributor barbara mcquaid is here. a veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s.

jean carroll. and the other verdict, defamation. the prosecutors will ask to cross examine him.g he testifies. but this is an important hearing because cases, convictions have been reversed because defendants have said i would have testified but for the fact the judge told the prosecutors they could cross examine me about every bad act. so it is a very important decision the judge makes. >> in terms of fairness to the defendant. it is important in terms of those of us watching this in terms of understanding donald trump's past that may be starting to haunt him in court this week for the first time ever. katherine christian, that gave me a really clear sense of what to watch for and what to keep an eye on moving ahead. thank you so much for helping us. >> you're welcome. >> all right, we have much more to come here tonight. stay with us. . stay with us. iling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating. ♪ nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication

jean carroll case. he said this about the mueller report. he does not testify. is not going to testify. was hearing that will determine what prosecutors can use against trump, it's like asking, how would you spend $1 billion if you were a billionaire? i would say it doesn't matter because i'm not a billionaire and i'm not going to become one. that's why this whole thing is for not. it's for him to show his supporters that he is tough and aggressive and he will tell the truth, but mark my words, when it comes down to it, his lawyers will say no, my client passes and you will not be testifying. >> on tuesday, the judge will hear the contempt violations of the gag order. how will that play out and will the jury be in the room for that? >> the jury will definitely not be in the room for that. it's unclear how that's going to play out. at this point, prosecutors are alleging that there are 10 violations and i have not been following his truth social this weekend but it's possible that there's even more since then. these are incessant possible potential violations of

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jean carroll.ough they didn't get all they wanted. >> susanne, no one knows more about donald trump's finances than you do -- nobody who is not in rikers island right now at least. nobody knows more about what he's actually done compared to what he claims he's done. talk to us about the way the defense portrayed him, as just another name, maybe the presumptive nominee, just a husband and a father. >> i thought that was interesting, that right off the start, right at the top it was said he may be larger than life, but he is a father, he's a husband, he's a businessman. they're going to very much try to humanize him during this. i think that's a really good point to bring up. that's going to continue as we go through the trial. that is one of the first things that was said when his lawyer got up to start opening arguments. >> you were inside. he came out and described this as simply a book keeping, the first time anyone has been charged with this. this is just book keeping, i was just paying my lawye

jean carroll case. we don't know if that is still going to happen.hearing taken place, and we still don't know if it will happen, but if it had taken place whether the court would reconvene on monday morning and the trial would get underway. we don't know what impact this is going to have. in the meantime, i want to talk about the woman whose story began all of this. at a brooklyn bar, donald trump's lawyers say they tried to serve a subpoena on her. stormy daniels, the adult film star whose accusations brought donald trump to this new york courtroom today, and to the potential of a felony conviction. but his lawyers say in a court filing that daniels' refused the subpoena so the process server left it at her feet. this is the latest chapter in a story that began with daniels and trump at a golf tournament in 2006 and will end some weeks from now with a verdict. we wouldn't be here if stormy daniels hadn't decided to tell her story. and my guest, jacob weissberg is ceo of pushkin industries, previously chairman of "slate." charles coleman is back wit

jean carroll. how do you expect him to react to testimony in open court from stormy daniels? there will be a lot of shaking his head, muttering under his breath with disgusted looks and it will be a performance for the jury must certainly and anything that comes out of her mouth he will have a reaction to just so he can speak later about what a liar she is at all the things he says about anyone who ever says anything about him so i think that will be a day despite what his lawyers probably are going to ask him to remain quiet and not show facial expressions, he won't be able to help himself. >> trump says he wants to testify and melania would push him to take a stand, do you think she is playing a role in his decision in which he be an advisor of the situation? >> behind closed doors as a husband and wife she would probably say, if you have nothing to hide, take the stand and this is just his bluster, he has said this so many times that he is going to take the stand and then he will come out and say my lawyer told me i couldn't so i couldn't do it which is so funny because he

jean carroll case, you have the trump foundation here. see trump university, which is interesting. the allen weissberg stuff, and trump versus clinton, it references a legal action initiated by trump against hillary clinton and several others involving allegations that clinton and her associates engaged in a conspiracy that negatively impacted trump's political and personal interests. that's interesting that they would bring up that one. charles, if you can, quickly, why would they bring up a case like that? >> i think they want to basically create a pattern of donald trump is very much self-invested in his political image. he paid this hush money to karen mcdougal, and to my previous point about women on the jury, they are going to make the case that this is someone who has disdain for women, and that shows itself, and that further buttresses the notion that in this instance, he was so concerned about how this was going to impact his chances in 2016 of being president that he wanted to try and do anything he could to put himself in the b

jean carroll defamation suit, where he was found to have sexually abused e. jean carroll.cial fraud. they would like to bring this to the attention of the jury and cross-examine donald trump on it. now it'll be up to the judge to make that determination, but the big moment is expected to be monday morning at 9:30 a.m. eastern when we are expecting opening statements in this trial to take place, guys. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. >>> today is the third straight day of pro-palestinian protests at columbia university in new york. demonstrators are on the main lawn again one day after a chaotic scene on campus. the nypd says 114 people were arrested on thursday after police cleared out a protest encampment. among those arrested is the daughter of minnesota democratic coveragewoman ilhan omar. antia hylton is outside. what are you hearing from students and protesters today? >> reporter: hey, zinhle, well i just got the opportunity to go past the gates and onto campus. they wouldn't allow our nbc news cameras in, however, and what i'm hearing what students who are in t

jean carroll trial, basically not to show up. and then he showed up for the second one, and they couldn't contain himself in front of the jury. that cost him tens of millions of dollars, because he basically behaved exactly as the plaintiff was describing him, as somebody who's remorseless, who was ready to say anything, who had contempt for the court's rulings and contempt for the truth, and he just, you know, he acted out right in front of the jury. and it's going to be a lot harder for him this time, because this is a lot more, if this is about his own people are going to be testifying and describing things that he did, people who were loyal to him from, you know, david packer, we've never actually heard from david packer. hope hicks, we've never really heard from her about this. and he's going to have to sit there and listen to it, and he's not going to enjoy himself, and he's, i can't, you can't guarantee that he'll be able to control himself. >> yeah, and he's going to have to listen to it a day in and day out. he has to be

he also said that the deposition that was taken in the jean carroll case cannot be shared with the juryain, too prejudicial. we'll see the same thing at the sandoval hearing. the prosecutors are going to ask for a number of prior bad acts. the general rule is anything beyond 10 years is considered too remote, so they ask for prior bad acts beyond that, the judge will probably say, no, that's too remote. i don't know what the 13 bad acts will ask for. i doubt the judge is going to allow them to ask any questions about the three open indictments. he, of course, has a fifth amendment right and they're indictments. they're not convictions. the civil fraud trial, he might be cross examined about the fact that the judge found him not credible. you may recall he was called back about whether or not he violated the gag order, talking about the judge's court attorney. he certainly, donald trump, should be cross examined about the defamation verdicts, lying about someone, false statements twice, jean carroll one verdict and the other verdict, again defamation. so i anticipate that the prosecutors

jean carroll to the civil fraud trial to other legal matters. that we know of sound fair game to you? what do you think the judge is likely to do? >> so the judge will have to balance the evidentiary value of this material to the prosecution against the risk of undue prejudice to the defendant. and the courts in new york have said that they leave those determinations up to the judge's sound discretion. he'll only be reversed on appeal if there is a conviction, if he abuses his discretion. so we can expect to see him go carefully through each of these incidents. ana, it's important to note here, this isn't evidence that the prosecution can introduce to claim that trump is a bad character. because he did bad things on other occasions, he did something wrong here. instead, this is the sort of evidence that the prosecution can use to impeach donald trump if he testifies during the trial to suggest to the jury that he's not an honest witness and they shouldn't believe him. >> quickly, if you will, if you were on the defense team and you're looking at

jean carroll who he gets this judgment against him he is out there libelling her again basically the next day and it's only when he has this really significant fine that he in a second judgment that he finally, it takes real pain. otherwise we've seen again he will keep pushing and pushing and which limits he can push past. >> the dangers, chris, to people are real and underscore today a gentleman in erie county pled guilty to phoning in death threats to the judge over the civil fraud trial and tish james. that is real. and so is this. >> michelle goldberg. lisa stay with me for more coverage. we have more to talk about including opening arguments that is next. into the things that keep our food fresher, our families safer, and our planet cleaner. to help us get there, america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars to create innovative products and new recycling technologies for sustainable change. because when you push for smarter solutions, big things can happen. when i think about purpose, i don't know if st. jude donors realize the magnitude of what they are doing. th