. >> several years ago jean edwards lifted a biography of lucius clay, american military governor and it was a seminar at georgetown university, several people including frank clack, his son who had been a general talked about the early days in 45-46 one american intelligence penetrated east berlin, very interesting. they had moles in the east german government by early 47. one other question, can you remind me what your was at the us had diplomatic relations? was that when you were there? >> that was in the 70s, and the 80s. >> one story i was told is joan clark, a career diplomat, negotiating in berlin in 45 and negotiating with the east germans, building for the american embassy and these berliners showed her a building, that will be -- not going to take that one. underneath is one of your tunnels because your stasi is right across the street, amazed she knew that. >> interesting, thanks for sharing that. >> this is a tough question from a moral point of view during the cold war, people chose sides. i sympathize with everything you said but we in america were supporting iran in lat