top-down planning or he can't see any potential but there were democratic resisters especially jean jacob in the paper just struggling artists creating some of the great works for the modern art and he saved them by advocating that tyrannical terror down the whole neighborhood into that made possible this explosion of wealth. >> host: but at the same time artists can't afford to live in soho today. >> guest: when you about the city to not be move out of the city to not be planned for an expert but just emerge naturally -- i also feel sad that they got priced out of the neighborhoods but the democratic program protected them somewhat and about about some of them to still be there today in the neighborhood that some of them were driven out or they sold out for good profits to go somewhere else less-expensive. that's the kind of rough and tumble freedom creates that some game and some lose but overall when you allow freedom and when you allow the democratic rights .-full-stop the government's ability and that is a right people should have. >> host: you take on mohammed younis and microloans