gene jennings, president, editor-in-chief of "automobile" magazine and you're a good person to talk to about this, jeanf, one month of november, maybe december affected by hurricane sandy or is there something else going on in car sales? >> i don't think this is a real short term. i think this will go on for a couple of months anyway as long as the economy holds. right now obviously hurricane sandy had some effect, like a quarter or so million cars were taken out but the estimate of cars that were purchased, mostly affected vw by the way. they really had big gains because that is their biggest market. some analysts say 60,000 cars were purchased in the wake of that. ford says 20 to 40. we expect that to keep continuing. i mean a million, quarter of a million cars is a lot but i am looking at the factors that affect car sales in general that will create a perfect convergeance. jenna: let me stop you there on that because i was just seeing one of the write-ups in reuters talking about car sales says the average car right now on the road in america is about 11 years old. that could be an important -- >> n