a big difference and these included eminent news men and women women, including the likes of jean robertson new york times. he was saying that from a print standpoint online audiences for news will remain very small into the foreseeable future. he was right about 1995. 4% of americans went online, with any kind of regularity to get news, but of regularity to get news, but within a few years that number to shut up. as you say, the devastating effects. but the dominant reaction to the threat of a challenge was typically one of confusion and an inclination to pooh-pooh that, to dismiss that, to dismiss it. on the other hand, there were some outlets who said this is how we do it. get online. >> the 2nd major event that you chronicle in the book is of course, the tragic oklahoma city bombing in april 1995. tell tell us where terrorism ranks in the national consciousness? you know, before the oklahoma city bombing. >> interesting question. >> the number one issue for many people now, of course. where do you think it right then? >> perhaps not the most dominant issue. the o.j. simpson trial oblite