well for more on this let's bring in our business correspondent jeanette dumas allow now you know this court verdict which we're still waiting for comes months off to you and i sat here discussing in a organist that cost summit with german politicians and the industry heads months down the line i mean was that summit century not invade you know if it turns out to be the way the industry really only has itself to blame it just didn't do enough now after that summit no one was really satisfied with their solution to put software upgrades in five million these old vehicles it seemed to many at the time that the industry bosses really just got together and said to themselves what is the minimum we could do in the face of this gigantic mess now meanwhile you have germany's fifteen million diesel car owners wondering whether their cars are going to be worthless since they can't drive them into city centers and they can't resell them either as resale values plummet but that's of course assuming that cities are even able to enforce the ban what are they supposed to do or are they going to inst