>> i did. >> did you lie to jeanie seckinger? >> about finances, yes, i did. >> you didn't talk to her about the kennels? >> i wouldn't think so. >> did you lie to annette griswold? >> i did. >> did you lie to christy gerald, your other secretary or paralegal? >> i don't believe she and i discussed, i would have at some point, i'm sure. >> did you like to michael gun? >> i'm sure i did at some point, but i mean, michael wasn't involved. >> it is 3:41. i'm katy tur. we have been watching the double murder trial of alex murdaugh in walterboro, south carolina, this has been the cross-examination for the entire day. he's going back to once again establish which is something he has been establishing for more than a day that alec murdaugh is a liar, and he's admitted to being a liar. joining me is civil rights attorney and former brooklyn prosecutor, charles coleman, laura jarrett, msnbc legal analyst and criminal defense attorney danny cevallos, and criminal defense attorney in south carolina, jack swirling, a close associate of murda

. >> and had you reached out to jeanie seckinger, later that day on the 7th to get your current balanceetirement account? >> you know, i don't remember doing that, but that would certainly be something that i did. because i know i'd have to have that for that financial statement, and the document that i prepared was what mark ball talked about that he found later in my office. and it was tight -- it was handwritten, ready to be tightened up by, you know -- because of the charges against paw, i kept everything close in the civil case, it was danny in his office that was doing it, and i had that document prepared, handwritten in the neatest handwriting that i could make because a secretary other than mine, a paralegal other than mine was going to be the person who was going to put that financial information into the final document, and that's the document that mark ball talked about that he found on my desk whenever it was that he found it. so that was what was going to be -- if necessary, what was going to be used thursday. >> alec, the jury has heard about testimony of you stealing clie