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jeb bush was running for the republican slot. he said, i am a dreamer.aligned himself with dreamers. houthi and castro on the democrat side was there. john mccain express that support. i have heard many republicans talk about just as you did, farmers, essential workers. i have also seen something just released in the washington post, a s of latino women supporturge for the trump ticket. client interested that there is a bipartisan groundswell of support at some level for this. i am just wondering, what has happened to that dimension, and do you think we have the right circumstances now to seal real steps forward by the biden team, in partnership with some of these republicans that have previously expressed support? >> i do, and we are going to give it a go. republicans in congress are going to have to answer that question. what is happening in the republican party, i think, is that being anti-immigrant is now how they win elections. you have lost senators like john mccain and jeff flake, who used to drive this agenda for the republican party. marco rubio

florida has been a republican state since jeb bush was elected.t is just people that want to show their love. the reason so many democrats think people are paid to go to trump rallies his back -- because that is what democrats do to fill seats and their sparsely populated events with biden. host: from myrtle beach, this is hilary on the independent line. caller: yes, i want to address what he said on president trump leaving office with less money than he came into office with. it's hard for me to believe that, because he got paid -- mar-a-lago got paid every time he went there on vacation, weekend, whatever. as a matter of fact, in one weekend in 2019, the bill was up to $63,000, and not only that, his businesses overseas even when military was at his hotels and in his golf courses. so saying he left with less money than he went in with -- and look at his children, all of the money they got paid for what they were supposed to be doing. as a matter of fact, his son-in-law could not even get clearance. but he was supposed to be his advisor. let's be

rula jeb—ree—ul is a visiting professor of the international relations and global politics program at. i asked her what she thought was really going on. it's a major trend that is happening all over the region, notjust injordan but saudi arabia and iran and other places, criticism under authoritarian rule is not allowed, we saw this under the crown prince of saudi arabia and jamal khashoggi, killing someone in a foreign country, now we've seen the government model however we are in a region where there is mass desperation. the covid—i9 pandemic underscored issues in the region. especially injordan, it is one of the poorest countries, it has millions of properties from syria to iraq, so those are stabilising jordan. the king himself cannot tolerate criticism. he needs to address the real threats to his reign and those are from unemployment, poverty, mass radicalisation and a youth that aspires to live a better life, a more dignified life. with those kind of factors in play, how destabilising could this be? prince hamzah is pretty popular in the country. the royal court injordan has sai

hundreds of people have been killed in violence machine farmers and cattle herders in the region to boot jeb bush he's president says he's very confident still when a 5th time. it's. is mel margot there cast says ballots in the capital around a quarter of a 1000000 people are registered to vote in the horn of africa nation who has been empire for 22 years has only one challenger the main opposition boycotted the election. well djibouti set some one of the world's busiest trading routes at the crossroads between africa and the arabian peninsula and it has several military bases which means foreign powers or ships politics very closely catherine saw i reports the many people in djibouti say they already know who will win the election president is smile on mark galley has been the country's leader for 2 decades and he's hoping for another run he changed the constitution in 2010 scrapping time limits while also introducing an age limit of $75.00 he's now $73.00. his political rallies with a campaign platform has continued to have been attended by thousands of supporters he says he still has much

finally this could win over some vaccine skeptics joints jeb's new york recently legalized marijuana so the long time activist on a bill set up a booth in union square handing out plans to anyone who showed they covered 900 that's nation cut hundreds came to give away ended with a smuggler. as to finish on a high point thanks for watching. finally learning to read 60. her entire life costly you may has invested everything into education for her 10 children. she herself is a little bit like many older women in turkey but has lee in my analysis that learning always pays off. focus on europe. in 30 minutes on the d w. belonging to one official estimates more than 1200000 venezuelans live in colombia legally and illegally. already. returned to. to visit friends yes i don't think i'd ever go back there to live you know what i live there again i don't know so i'm not sure. bearing witness global news that matters. made for minds. ready to get on to more exclaims places in europe are smashing all the records stick into a church. just don't lose or grip its interest for much globe trotters i

hispanic chamber of commerce meeting in 2016 jeb bush from that podium who is running for then the republican slot for president said i am a dreamer i am a dreamer he aligned himself who on castro on the democratic side was there i heard john mccain in the past senator john mccain express that support i've heard many republicans talk about just as you did dreamers farm workers essential workers i have also seen something that was just released in the washington post an interesting surge of latina women support for the trump ticket when he was running so there seems to be a blurriness out there i mean i love the clarity you bring to it but i just sort of interested in the fact that there is a bipartisan. you know groundswell of support at some level for this and so i'm just wondering what has happened to that dimension and do you think that we have the right circumstances now to see real steps forward by the by even team in partnership with some of these republicans that have previously expressed support for a path to citizenship or dreamers and so on i do and we're going to give it a go it's

. >> jeb and neil. >> and marvin's dog, they were so ugly marvin would not accept the painting. >> itn good painting, the dogs were ugly not the painting. i was happy to take it back. >> paint is not just a hobby. it is a way to focus attention on issues and people, he feels need to be seen. the issue of immigration stirs emotions today. just as it has throughout much of history. but what gets lost in debate are stories of immigrants. >> a lot of statistics, but here you are reminded they are also people. >> right. that is right. and how they contribute. to our society. what they bring with them. in many, many cases, they bring a desire for a better life, that america represents, a a lot of them left opressive governments, they were poor and wanted a chance to succeed in a economy that allows everyone to be involved in it. >> some people depict famous, like dirk nowitzki and annika sorenstein, and business leaders like hamdi ulukaya hamdi ulukaya, and public service like madeleine albright and henry kissinger. >> i want to ask but henry kissinger, he is a fascinating man a friend of y

, whether it was -- where that would best that gps picked you saw lots of them part of the governor jeb been so wanted to get your sense of that track you part of how we were able to leapfrog our global competitors when it comes to 5g is we freed up a lot of airways over the last three or four years. six gigahertz of licensed spectrum we up in addition to thousands of megahertz of unlicensed and those were very difficult engagements to put it mildly. a lot of this prime spectrum is enhance the federal users. they are reluctant to give it up. we run the internet analysis and we made the right calls, but they work calls that resulted in headlines at least in the telecom industry of disputes between fcc and the unity. i am very worried there could be some backsliding with respect to those initiatives. as you noted secretary buttigieg has questioned the fcc's decision to free up spectrum in a 5.9 gigahertz band. this will be an early test to make sure we stay clear eyed about spectrum policy and stand up to the federal entities that have reached the wrong conclusions about the best and high

the board of directors at the obama foundation and tim miller, a former communications manager for jeb bush. good evening to both of you. democrats winning the nine counties in atlanta have been the biggest pick up in terms of democratic votes in georgia. talk to me about the thing that mayor keisha lance bottoms is trying to do? >> well, it is meaningful. everything you can do to reach your voter and educate them will be helpful. but my bigger concern, and there is so much that is offensive in the language. trump is saying he wished it was in place before the election. my biggest concern is that it opens the door to the georgia legislature. make no mistake. had the law been in place prior to last november there is a question whether joe biden bide would have carried the state and whether there would have been a perdue/ossoff run off. this will be the standard that republican election officials think they need to meet in other states. every day they wasted time having to figure out should we respond to this or that. i think our democracy is at steak. this is not just republicans and de

finally this could win over some back saying skeptics joints for jeb's new york recently legalized marijuana so long time activist donna bill set up a booth in union square handing out plants to anyone who showed their coated 1000 bats nation cut undertook a giveaway ended with a smoking. ice to finish on the high point thanks for watching. into the conflict zone with 2 sebastian. libya has a new government of national unity which promises free elections by the end of this year from the roadblocks it faces are admits his militia groups still hold power throughout the country my guest this week is coming by libya's ambassador to the u.n. in geneva how hoover's new government succeed. conflicts are the folks. on the verge of. finally learning to read 60. her entire life cast lead you may has invested everything into education for her 10 children. she herself is a little bit my commanding older women in turkey but has me in my analysis that learning always pays off. focus on her. 60 minutes on the d w. a there i'm david and this is climate change is it sex. happiness increase book. this is the

tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush's presidential campaign, contributor to the bulwark, and debby powell, the biden administration wasting no time, they understand time is of the essence here. this infrastructure plan much more than just bridges, roads and tunnels, what people think of, among other things, expands caretaking for seniors, invests in affordable housing, in broadband. how do the democrats sell this infrastructure plan, given it may not be what many americans think of ordinarily as infrastructure? >> well, alicia, first, happy easter to you and the family, [ speaking spanish ]. here living in south florida we understand the dire need to invest in infrastructure, people are tired of the traffic congestion and potholes, we have failing water infrastructure, leak septic tanks contaminating the water. question should be how are republicans going to justify not supporting well overdue investment that requires us to get to the point that we're going to be able to compete with other nations, including china, we're falling behind, we are -- we used to be leaders ec

clinton presidential campaign, and tim miller, a contributor and former communications director for jebo glad to have you back here tonight. james, before we get in the politics of mr. trump, i have to begin with a more urgent matter. the news tonight. what we have lost in our politics with the loss of walter mondale? >> we lost a lot of things that is lost in american politics, decency. but as my cohort pointed out, he was the first consequential vice president. he had offices in the west wing. he was in every meeting. he literally changed the office of vice president. not only personally attributes is something to be remembered and respected. his political attributes, they are god. when you change an office, you make an impact on american politics. and president clinton spoke to him, he was a great man. very consequential life. well respected man. >> indeed, he was the first preponderate to live in the naval observatory as the vice presidentible home. sbm nm effect today between biden and harris as it wous between obama and biden. tim, about that comment from trump who wants you to kn

i caught up with george p bush, he's the son of jeb bush, he's got an extremely bright future.e oil business, his grandfather and uncle were in it. he says i want to find out what you need and what you can do and what's going wrong. i met with him first. we went to the round table and we went to the oilfield. here's a look at my day in midland. ♪ >> with president biden hours into taking office signed an executive order killing the xl pipeline, in texas they knew they were going to be in trouble but this is texas and texas fights back and that's exactly what they did with the texas defense task force led by land commissioner george p bush. >> we're in the courthouse, in different parts of the country, fighting some of the reckless policies we've seen from the left. we're excited to bring the fight back. >> he comes out and says good-bye xl pipeline and he says when it comes to drilling on federal land, we're going to pause that. how does that resonate in techs snags. >> it sends a dangerous message to the state. the industry directly employs 400,000 texans and indirectly employ

. >> jeb bush is the new florida. he is the new america.he new republican party. [ applause ] >> reporter: congressman gaetz and his father served in the florida statehouse together for six years. >> they were just a political dynasty, and they dominated that region. >> reporter: among locals, matt was nicknamed baby gaetz, a nod to his father's early influence. but political observers say his father's name and money have only been part of his success. >> matt gaetz says political gifts in this era of smash-mouth politics, that you can't ignore. i didn't necessarily see a lot of that in his father. he brings a whole -- a new set of skills that are completely -- he's made it his own. it's not a family brand from matt gaetz's point. >> reporter: matt gaetz grew up in this house, used to film the movie "the truman show." >> in the mid '90s, one day some producer just shows up in a golf cart and tells my mother they want to make a movie in this house starring jim carrey. >> reporter: his mother is partially paralyzed after suffering complicatio

author and tim miller a contributor to the work on former communications director for jeb bush. eddie, i'd like to begin with you. first my usual bit of advice to our viewers, anyone looking for the perfect 2021 reading list should just take a screen grabbed and start going through all the titles behind eddie junior on his shelf. eddie, i've got a number of questions. but i gotta start pretty basic. how are you processing what you have seen just this week? >> it has been a difficult week, brian. it is good to be with you. it's been challenging because we have to deal with this at the human level so to see dante wright murdered on loop and to see the treatment of lieutenant as reo, to see what happens to a young 13 year old, toledo. you can think about -- you think about your family, members children. at the personal level, it's been difficult. but also to kind of think about the other kind of collision, there's a moment of transition as a country. we don't quite know what we are going to do. there is a form of policing that we have been familiar with, that we have gotten used to

we are joined by professor eddie glaugh, jr., a noted author, and former communications director for jebh. eddie, i'd like to begin with you. first some advice for our viewers. anyone looking for the perfect 2021 reading list should just take a screen grab and start going through all the titles behind eddie glaugh jr. on his shelf. eddie, i thought of a number of questions to ask but i'm going to start pretty basic. how are you processing what you've seen just this week? >> it's been a difficult week, brian. it's good to be with you. it's been challenging because we have to deal with this at the human level. so to see daunte wright's murder on loop, to see the treatment of lieutenant nazario, to see what happened to the young 13-year-old brother adam toledo, you can't think aboutyour own son, your own children. on a personal level it's difficult. but we're at this collision. we're in a moment of transition, brian, as a country, and we don't quite know what we're going to do. there is a form of policing that we've been familiar with, that we've gotten used to where we call black people su

. >> painted marv jeb. >> he painted marvin's dogs they were so ugly marvin wouldn't accept the paintingit back. taken deign we talk a lot about the immigrants as well that was a little bit that will air on sunday night april 25th 10:00 p.m. >> greg: jesse. >> jesse: never paint your wife. you are always going to lose there. all right, jess' feeding frenzy, let's see it here we go. so, yesterday, we showed you some footage of a woman who went viral because she had a recipe for salad which included putting popcorn in the salad. and i said i was going to cook this up and apparently my mouth wrote a check that my butt couldn't cash. i looked at the ingredients and thought there is no way i'm doing this. i did what all tv hosts do. they have their producer do it. so, christina cooked up a little popcorn salad for me and i'm going to try it right now. it actually looks pretty good. >> dana: are you serious? it is so food. we should fire her so she pursue as career in culinary arts. it's online. this sunday columbia speedway columbia, south carolina. tickets are available at g gutfeld.com grea

. >> bret: like jeb? >> greg: no one made that joke next. >> bret: i'm going to watch.n has pee gun its sales pitch for that proposal labeling it once in a generation investment opportunity. one senate democrat is already talking about problems he has with the taxes built inside. republicans are pointing out only a fraction of the plan actually has to do with infrastructure. we'll talk about that and the situation on the border with former seniordv

. >> bret: like jeb? >> greg: no one made that joke next. >> bret: i'm going to watch. good evening from washington i'm bret baier. the escalating battle over president biden's infrastructure plan. the administration has pee gun its sales pitch for that proposal labeling it once in a generation investment opportunity. one senate democrat is already talking about problems he has with the taxes built inside. republicans are pointing out only a fraction of the plan actually has to do with infrastructure. we'll talk about that and the situation on the border with former senior adviser to president trump steven miller in just a moment. but, first, white house correspondent peter doocy leads us off tonight live from the north lawn. good evening, peter. >> good evening, bret. this isn't like the times that president biden has tried to address covid-19 or immigration where lawmakers on both sides of the aisle understand what the problem is because right now the biden white house and republicans in congress have totally different ideas about the definition of infrastructure. >>

campaign in his cohost of the -- into miller, a contributor to the former communications director for jeb bush. gentlemen i'm with so glad to have you here tonight. james, before we get into the politics of mr. trump, i have to begin with a more urgent matter, the news tonight, what have we lost in our politics with the loss of walter mondale? >> we've lost the one thing decency. probably one of the most decent people, in michael hart, he was the first consequential vice president. until he became vice president, the vice president had no consequence. his office was in the west wing, he was in every meeting. he literally changed the offense of the vice presidency. not only is it a personal attribute to something to be remembered and respected, his political attribute and policy accomplishments were pretty good. when you change an entire office, you make a big impact on american politics. amongst and his president clinton talk to him a couple of days ago, he was a great man. 93 years, old along in good life. a lot of friends in minnesota. and they're highly distraught about this. he was a

jeb bush he's president says he's very confidence he'll win a 5th term in office. is mel margolis star cast his bar in the capital around a quarter of a 1000000 people are registered to vote it's in the horn of africa nation who's been power for 22 years is only one challenger main opposition have boycotted the election for more on this we can bring in iran as more in china in nairobi he's a former vice chair personal of the african union commission and is the chairman of the african capacity building foundation thank you so much for joining us on the news our stock much of election really is everyone appears to be boycotting it do you see this election playing at or don't you very much. well. i think. that the blanket is very much unfortunately because. no credible really but is and has been a given other than the fact that perhaps many germans here is mired. apart so the writing on the wall that he was not going to be able to make a dent. is known as one decent actions since 1990 in 2000 and. 2 dozen men and women to dance and then 16 so there was no really any i

in my panel now, tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark, and former communications director for jeb bush 2016. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and an msnbc political analyst and president of omara strategy group and a democratic strategist. welcome to you all, guys. let's pick up where i left off with the congressman and that's talking about joe manchin and this idea, i feel as if, and folks that i have been speaking to, that he's in some sort of utopian democracy, considering that we could kind of reach bipartisan legislation in this country, that they could come to some sort of quorum. but it's as if he's taking from experiences that he had two decades ago and not what has happened over the last four years. >> look, i can't get inside joe manchin's head. i don't know if he's delusional or living a utopian mindset or whether this is just a political strategic positioning for him. because obviously, he represents a very, very red state that president trump won overwhelmingly and so he needs to come up for rationalizations for his position in ord

and those low ox jeb levels were induced by the prone restraint and positional asphyxiation that he wasieve the death was absolutely preventable. >> were there critical points in time during his sub dual and restraint on the ground when you feel measures could have or should have been taken that would have preserved his life? >> yes, do. i think there were several junctures actually. >> would you tell us about those? >> sure. the first of course was to not subject him to that initial prone restraint positioning that he was subjected to. i mean, that is first and foremost. so if that was not the case i don't think he would have died. >> the final witness for the prosecution today was a former police officer who is now a law professor at an expert in police use of force and testified that derek chauvin using force that he should have known was deadly force and that that force was unreasonable. >> do you have an opinion as to whether defendant's use of force whereby he restrained mr. floyd in that prone position for 9:29 on may 25, 2020, was reasonable as viewed by a reasonable police offi

three generations of very influential bushes plus the fact that jeb bush got close or at least look likee was going to get close to being president as well in the kennedy family, everybody just assumed, no one will run against a kennedy. but once jeff k got killed than of course there was a roosevelt that was not quite the same but an uncle and a nephew or something like that. so we have quite a few examples of families that eventually get the democratic voters to feel they have a right to that office in some way. >> it is interesting. i think adams might point to it as evidence for what he was suggesting which is what people want something to look up to that some feeling that regular joe is not going to be good enough. something inherent in this family that somehow they're going to be superior to the rest of us, that there is something in people that seem to want that bizarrely. no, i think it is something like what adams was for saying. >> so i'm thinking that the grand think that they put their lives into as young men, basically that it was not to work out. obviously work out in our p

the land commissioner in texas, george p bush, people think he's the future of the party, the son of jeb that affect 120,000 jobs. we will meet with the land commissioner, the defense task force, and talk to him about what texas is looking at in this anti-fossil fuel environment. steve: live from dallas the highs in the 60s in 70s. a beautiful day in new york city. >> >> the white house dodging questions from fox news on beefing up border security. >> follows the release of the shocking video showing smugglers dropping two young girls, sisters, 3 and 5, over the wall. steve: mark meredith joins us outside the white house with more, we heard from the white house about it. >> reporter: the white house will face more questions about border policies, they are capturing chaos in the states. something to talk about all morning long. they are appearing to drop two girls over a border wall and leaving them in the desert. border patrol said had they not captured this on camera those two girls could have been left alone for hours in terrible conditions and asking they -- everyone paying attention

and jeb bush, you know, it's just so interesting how the establishment itself has been pushed out ofepublican party. that it has -- it's become a completely different party. not just in the past 25 years, just in the past five years. >> oh, yeah, i don't think -- this idea that there's a group of sa traps, if only they could beam in and speak truth on fox, the republic would be saved. i think we're way past that. we're still fighting nascent fascism in this country, let's be very clear. and when senator mcconnell said what he said about the insurrection and said after he voted against impeachment, what he said about impeachment, it's a little like the line in tom sawyer, where an evangelist came through town, who was so good, that they said huck finn was saved until tuesday. so they get saved until tuesday, then they forget. and you know, you end up with this, i think, this joe mccarthy versus margaret chase smith probable if they care about how they're seen, which they self-evidently do not, or they -- or i guess more to the point, they care about who's doing the seeing, as i rememb

neat to see jeb burton get the win in xfinity this is wild card race.rise yourself. will: i bet i will. i said we've been saying your name every weekend, giving away your money. you're the man. you're here. tell us what -- >> talladega, everything is bigger in talladega including fox bets $25,000 on the line and a camping world rv. trust me somebody in the infield will need one, probably in a pile of ashes. can be yours, 25,000, come get it, free app, have fun today. will: give us a prediction before we go to know what they predict in the fox bet? >> it will be a ford coming out of the finsky. logano, brad, daytona 500, crash each other. sparks will fly. pete: we have a "fox nation" car, 7 car, cory lajoie. give us your thoughts. >> when you come to talladega you look at guys like cory, this is a opportunity to punch his ticket in the playoffs. you never know. talk about the big one, talk about the crash, if you can get through that. you don't know if it is the whole field. rachel: you could win. >> absolutely. this is one of the only tracks i feel ever

three generations of very influential bushes plus the fact that jeb bush got close or at least looked like he was going to getclose to being president the kennedy family , just everybody assumed no one can one run against one of the kennedys for a while. then of course there was the roosevelt, thatwasn't quite the same . so we have quite a few examples of families that eventually get the democratic voters to feel that they have a right to that office in some way. >> it is interesting and i think adams might point to it as evidence for what he was suggesting which is that people want something to look up to. some feeling that a regular joe isn't going to be good enough. there's something inherent in the family that somehow they're going to be superior to the rest of us . something in people thatseems to want that ,bizarrely . i think that's something like adams was foreseeing. >> studies on thinking the grand thing they put their lives into as young men, that it wasn't going to work out and obviously it worked up from our point of view quite well so how much of their pessimism was just