bush and what they saw as his selling out of conservatism. it showed vulnerability for jeb. there's a personal thing here that has nothing to do with the numbers, bush family and mitt romney were very close for a long time. mitt romney gave a speech in the 2008 campaign about mormonism. some said this is his john f. kennedy speech like when john talked about roman catholicism. he was introduced by george bush senior had a close relationship with george bush senior. in the 2012 campaign mitt romney was basically left hanging by jeb bush. the fate of the candidacy was on the line. newt gingrich crushed him in south carolina. romney had to bounce back win florida. who do you want on your side in a must win situation, you want jeb bush. what did he say to mitt romney no i am not going to do anything for you. didn't lift a finger. there's resentment there, also after the election in 2012. after the election in 2012 jeb bush more than other republicans, there were plenty of republicans that piled on mitt romney after that more than other republicans jeb bush was specifically critic

he is now expected to become jeb bush's campaign manager. so bush is behind the scenes pressure campaign appears to have sped up romney's timetable and forced h imto make a final decision now. and h iz decision is to walk away. so wo does that decision help? well bush obviously, romney's absence means a lot of big dollar donors are up for grabs. bush has a choons to reel in a lot of them. it's also a bush for chris christie. christi had a long scheduled dinner with romney last night. christie was in danger of being squeezed out if both bush and romney run. now he has a better chance to build a serious organization. kelly o'donnell spoke with ray washburn who says they're already taking calls from romney reporter who is are on the fence in their effort to raise $100 million. it's a boom for scott walker as well. the wisconsin governor pitching himself as a washington outsider and a fresh face in washington politics. now it will be easier to get attention or raise money. m and also what role mitt romney will play now. the daily news captured th

romney does not want to sit there and watch jeb bush be the nominee. 'd much rather it be a youngster who he can then become papa bear. >> a lot of sharps were thrown the last couple of weeks. the last straw was jeb getting mitt's iowa guy, his strategist in iowa. all the leaking, all the nasty things being said behind closed door all the things that were being leaked to "the new york times," that romney was reading every day from jeb's camp really at the end of the day bothered him a great deal. i'll tell you, i've been talking to his top people today. i don't see a kumbaya moment. i think you're going to find a lot of romney people that are going to have a hard time getting on jeb's bandwagon. >> really? where did he go scott walker? >> a lot of talk about scott walker, but the field is wide open. you asked who the losers were today, the losers were scott walker rand paul ted cruz everybody on the right who was hoping to see this establishment group of moderates,ed my rom ed mymitt romney jeb bush split up the vote but scott walker could move to the f

jeb bush, about fracking?uest: i am not sure about the specific lawsuit the caller is talking about. this is somewhat of a problem for jeb bush and it was a problem for mitt romney, in a lot of ways -- the sense that these candidates are a part of big business, the wall street crowd, and it plays into the republican party's perception that it is a party for the rich. of course, on the democratic side, hillary clinton has a big problem with this. she is very well-connected with wall street donors and a lot of the money comes from wall street. that is an issue with both parties. on the issue of fracking and energy, i think this is a great issue for republicans to hang onto. two and half years ago i spent a week in north dakota and it is a fascinating story happening -- it is really the wild west. interesting things moving -- happy with people moving out there with no connection to the oil industry. north dakota has some of the lowest unemployment rates highest growth rates in the economy out there. i think there

to be worried that would affect jeb bush too. in terms of the republican party is still the republican party, whether romney or bush is the nominee. the platform is the same. there is a difference when you talk about somebody like scott walker and chris christie potentially. there is that thing where they can connect potentially with voters who mitt romney couldn't connect with. you sort of say if it's a top 1% message, you need a 99% messenger. something christy was able to do in new jersey. scott walker in wisconsin for that matter which is a democratic friendly state and swing state. he's showing success at that as well. >> i want to play a fake phone call between jeb bush and hillary clinton released by senator rand paul. let's listen to that. >> well it's true. i'm thinking about running for president. >> well jeb, so am i. >> i just wanted to call and give you a head's up and hopes we could work something out? >> what do you mean jeb? it's clearly my turn. bush, clinton, bush now clinton -- >> hillary there hasn't been a rep

romney does not want to sit there and watch jeb bush be the nominee. rather it be a youngster who he can then become papa bear. >> a lot of sharps were thrown the last couple of weeks. the last straw was jeb getting mitt's iowa guy, his strategist in iowa. all the leaking, all the nasty things being said behind closed door, all the things that were being leaked to "the new york times," that romney was reading every day from jeb's camp, really at the end of the day bothered him a great deal. i'll tell you, i've been talking to his top people today. i don't see a kumbaya moment. i think you're going to find a lot of romney people that are going to have a hard time getting on jeb's bandwagon. >> really? where did he go, scott walker? >> a lot of talk about scott walker, but the field is wide open. you asked who the losers were today, the losers were scott walker, rand paul, ted cruz, everybody on the right who was hoping to see this establishment group of moderates, mitt romney, jeb bush split up the vote but scott walker could move to the front quickly. >

there was early enthusiasm for jeb bush.omney kind of freezes things to the extent that jeb's early interest spent things up. i think romney slows things down to some degree. it is not a dynamic -- bad dynamic for chris christie. >> let's go to romney. give us a thought bubble. be mitt. what is he thinking? be romney. channel romney. >> this is me though. >> what do you think he is thinking? >> i think romney and the people urging romney to run, or could be a real crackup up in the primary. that crackup would happen late. there would be no obvious front runner. it would be fractured and ugly and the party, the donor community and the party elite, the conservative elite would need a unifying force, a tested, that it, unifying force to come in late -- what happened last week, jeb bush was in town. he met with a lot of donors and was energized. >> in boston as well. >> christie was also in boston. he met with a bunch of donors. i was struck by the positive impression he made on all of these donors. these donors who felt in the

that is what jeb bush is attempting to do right now. of the bush campaign not quite a campaign yet officially but the goal of bush right now is to raise a huge sum of money in the first part of this year to raise so much money and line up so many key donors that the rest of the field looks at him and says, this guy is sort of the overwhelming front-runner it's time to get on board. maybe i don't want to run against him. create that sense of inevitability. mitt romney was watching in the last few weeks as jeb bush made this move behind the scenes to line up people for a super pac. mitt romney was watching his people defect to jeb bush. he was losing money to jeb bush every day. he had the prospect of losing more and more of it in the next few months. here's the one catch to keep in mind. here's the downside for jeb bush. let's say he raises a huge sum of money as he's hoping to do. then he becomes a formal candidate for president of the united states, which he will have to declare at some point. when he does that he loses control of the

you are seeing jeb bush is caught up in that. ight to go after bush. look at this. this is the ultimate thing. polls that matched up mitt romney and jeb bush head to head among republicans, there have not been many of them until recently not many thought mitt romney was serious about this. take a look. the ones that have been conducted, every one of them mitt romney, 21 jeb bush 10. mitt romney 19 jeb bush 10. mitt romney 19 jeb bush 11. those are not great numbers. but when you are here if you are mitt romney you hear jeb bush is coming the party is getting behind him, you see poll after poll that shows you doubling up jeb bush in some cases, i think you look at the numbers and say why not me? >> interesting. msnbc's steve kornacki. we know the first of two phone calls expected today by mitt romney is under way. we will see how that goes. be sure to watch "up" with steve kornacki at 8:00 eastern here on msnbc. >>> take you live to the annual super bowl press conference under way, two opposing head coaches hoping to take their tea

second, he is a better communicator than jeb bush and mitt romney. on their best day, they can do as well as chris christie dies, and he does it consistently. and the guy is a brawler. he is still brawling. bush and romney are just not dollars in part of the reason why romney considered christie as his running mate was he thought he needed a brawler then. i think that's a big issue. >> new jersey does not have the greatest economic story right now. >> it's a disaster for them. >> how much will he have to defend that, go on offense on that or can he go above it? >> you will see opposition research against him saying he could not turn his state around. how can he turn the country around? he has got to hope and pray economic conditions get better while he deals with the legislature. he will have to grapple with the legislature in the spring. >> we are also going to hear from mike pence, scott walker tonight. susana martinez, rick snyder next tuesday. i've easily will be recording them all just as soon as i clear my dvr of the last six seasons of "dating

about jeb bush. forgive me, governor. is he hillary clinton or is he bill clinton? hillary clinton in 2008 ran, she was formidable on paperu.s. like jeb bush is now, she had a great organization, could raise the money like jeb bush is now but she had an ideology problem, voted for authorization to go in war in iraq, jeb bush has the ideology problem on immigration and education or is he bill clinton who ran against his own party said democrats have to be different. we're wrong on some issues and we have to change if we're going to win and his viability as a general election candidate helped him survive some inner party challenges? >> i think he wants to be a bill clinton. but they're going to do their darnedest to make him the hillary clinton and i think that's what he -- remember he's talked about wanting to run with joy. >> with joy. >> a real desire. he can see the path from march 2016 on. what he can't live with is between now and march 2016 and clearing the decks and putting all the e-mails out

the establishment action was actually last night in san francisco, where jeb bush was speaking to an auto dealer convention. and he actually talked about that meeting, that intriguing meeting he had with mitt romney in salt lake city a few days ago. this is what he said about that. >> i went to visit governor romney. i have enormous respect for him. the meeting was set up three months ago, under slightly different circumstances, i guess. and i was happy to be able to you know continue to have the meeting. we talked about the patriots. we talked a little bit about politics. not as much as you might imagine. we talked about the future of the country. talked about a need for a more engaged foreign policy where the united states accepts world power status because it brings peace and stability in the world. >> so if you talk to people in bush and romney world about this meeting that happened the other night, there isn't any sort of grand bargain that emerged. these guys weren't there to like make a deal about who someone is going to run and someone is not going to run for the republican n

jeb bush will go up there. but i think today, rand paul is the most likely one to win. >> i will go back to strengths. i mentioned christie on the way in. he has a lot of problems, chris christie am a going into this. romney was thinking about some of the vetting they'd did for him in the vice presidential selection process. there are problems for chris christie. i just can't help but think he is looking at those donors who mitt romney would have locked up. he has got to be happy. >> jeb bush is going to get more of them. >> we have more to the poll, check it out on bloomberg politics. >> enough about mitt romney for today. this next topic is brought to you by money. from there. 28 of this year to october 1 there are five key deadlines for the fiscal fight they could get messy. last night, one of the huffington post most prominent blah bloggers, barack obama, wants to spend the money. he wants to jack of spending by 7%, make his case two houston mcbride's pre-is going to hate this? every republican. in these li

. >> jeb bush. his father was president bush, his brother was president bush, and now he wants to be president bush. >> we had enough bush's. >> sorry, mother, it's time for another. former florida governor jeb bush. >> give it up for judge mcintosh. >> i think there is a real strong consensus. you have the bush last night which is the bush last name. you have a lot of people thinking this is a consensus front runner. >> i'm really looking forward to sam taking my candidate. >> i kind of wanted sarah palin anyway. >> no, i don't have bush -- >> josh barro, use your technology from the "new york times," a fancy pants newspaper. >> i want the number one candidate, i will take number one. josh barro, a genius. number one is scott walker. >> scott walker. they call him mr. unrecallable. winner of three elections in four years, no matter how many staffers went to jail. he is wisconsin governor scott walker. >> that is big. that is big. scott walker right now i would like to say, we're having a scott walk

i think jeb bush probably has a better chance to make that work than governor romney does, but you'veot bush, romney, christie, carving up the establishment vote, but you've got a number of conservatives on the other side as well. >> it looks to me, michael, like he's put a patch on his tire. he blew the tire in the last election by looking too elitist, so he said i'll fix that, i'm for little people. >> do you believe it? >> no, i don't believe -- from a cynical standpoint. look, i believe that what mitt romney has decided to do in taking on this third opportunity, is to be himself, is to try to do this less the way the consultants and the people who get out and promote presidential candidates want him to do it, and really wants to come out of the box a little i think the governor is right to the extend that jeb bush, rand paul, for example, both of them have started this conversation about poverty, but criminal justice, and they're both right. for those of us republicans who have been talking about poverty and trying to push this issue, going back to the jack kemp days it's refreshi

i think there's been a bit of bad blood between jeb bush and mitt romney that really hasn't been talked about much when bush did support him. i think he felt bush breathing down his neck. he had to react quickly. he did. he's trying now to basically close the barn door before all the donors get out. >> annette, what do you make of mitt romney floating this behind closed doors in front of donors? >> i think he realizes that the donors are competitive with jeb bush in the game and the two of them do have bad blood, especially when it comes to immigration, when jeb bush tried to get him to be more moderate on immigration and has tried to get other people. but definitely during the presidential -- and he did not listen. he had to be the most conservative conservative. how will that work for jeb when he's not really a moderate, as they claim? both mitch and i will tell you he is conservative. but when it comes to immigration, he has always believed in a path to citizenship, which may come back to bite them. that's the difference between the two of them. >> we're going back to the old questio

cochal is a huge get for jeb bush. it means he out of politics for 15 years can go into iowa with a seasoned organizer big boost for jeb not withstanding the let down it was for romney. >> it's eric. so i listened to that comment that he put out there very classy and nice. he stepped aside. you could feel it was emotional for him, it was a tough decision for he and his family. one of the lines that jumped out is he said i'm stepping aside and hopefully to have a new generation of republicans to take over. a lot of people are saying if he was stepping aside to make room for jeb bush that might not be the way he would do that. so a lot of other people are saying is it rubio or christie? what did he mean by the new generation? what was he pointing to? >> again there are a number of folks around romney in the last weeks doing a little bit of sniping on his behalf on what would have been his rivals saying while he has been out for a long time, 15 years there was talk that romney would have criticized him for the way he handl

doesn't seem like jeb bush to me >> seemed to be a slap at jeb bush if you will. >> exactly. bush and maybe christie. but the lesser known candidates will be sighting that. >> and just so you know bret has be building the lanterns. >> a long day ahead. the white house is weighing n on the ownership of guantanamo bay. the next guest explains why united states presence is necessary on the island and also legal. we learn about the factors that caused the economy to grow at a slower than usual rate in the last three months of the year last year. we will get into that next. right! now you're gonna ask for my credit card - - so you can charge me on the down low two weeks later look, credit karma - are you talking to websites again? this website says 'free credit scores'. oh. credit karma! yeah, it's really free. look, you don't even have to put in your credit card information. what?! credit karma. really free credit scores. really. free. i could talk to you all day. push your enterprise and you can move the world. ♪ ♪ but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it i

[applause] >> that is jeb bush on immigration.t know how much you have seen jeb bush do retail and crowd events. whether he has got good skills people are divided. when he puts his mind to it he is pretty darn good. >> one thing have i have been asking is has anyone ever seen him speak? most voters have not seen him on the national stage, actually listening to him and maybe have heard something about his education policies or common core or whatever. we need to see more of him. and i have no idea what his retail skills are like. we have to see that on the campaign trail sooner rather than later. what we do not want to have is the name jeb bush out there with nothing behind it. hopefully he is not a paper tiger and he can pull it off on the retail level. he has great retail skill. he does. it was an iffy question on skipping iowa. he may be should have gone. >> do you think jeb bush is making a mistake, even holding back having the strategy of doing fundraisers in a few public events. >> he is starting to. he is giving a big speech

jeb bush. >> i agree with jake's assessment 100% this is a really ambivalent statement. there's a bit of a concrete reason here though and gloria touched on this. he had a call last week in a meeting in boston with a number of his advisers. ann romney has been pushing romney to run. romney is uncomfortable with seeing his place in the party diminish by jeb bush and others who are making calls to donors et cetera. there's a loyal crew of advisers in boston who have been with romney for a long time urging him to run. there are many other close advisers who are saying you don't have this. this isn't yours for the taking and they are backing that up with information from the field. romney said in that statement he had field staff and there was wide support from his former campaign staffers. that's actually not true. that's a big reason that romney is backing away from this. one of the biggest things that happened in this early stage of the republican race so far, gloria talked about this one of rom

if she stays without a mental, you can take today what jeb bush is going to go on and what states jebcould win that barack obama won last time she starts she needs to define herself and not let jeb bush get ahead of steam. >> the democrats have to hope serious people jump in the race and run against hillary clinton because right now there is so much energy on the republican side, people feel great about the field and it was told to me there is drama and intrigue that is good that gets people to pay attention to us, when john mccain sealed up the nomination early in 2008 that was bad for him and kind of sat around and wasn't the story for months while hillary clinton and barack obama duked it it it out and that really hurt him. >> i think it is interesting elizabeth warren who would probably be the most serious challenge keeps saying no, but a lot of the party keeps wanting to hear maybe. so you have moveon.org, is she going to run an on-line petition two, hundred 50,000 names 32 trying to get her to run. >> there is an anti-wall street element of the democratic party populist that is

>> most helped is jeb bush. he has the capacity to lock up the establishment donor class in a way he could not as long as romney was going to be out there. he could dominate fund-raising. historically, if you dominate republican fundraising the year before the election, you win. i don't think anyone has been hurt by this. it opens up space for possible candidates. he gives everyone a chance to say they are going to get that romney support. >> i agree with you. bush is helped. i think christie is helped. because it frees up donors romney may have gotten too. it helps rubio and walker. for the reasons we were talking about, the generational arguments. the person i think who is hurt is a guy like rand paul, whom i thought it would be good news to have a three-way battle of the titans in the establishment rocket. the bracket. all -- bracket. paul would have been in a better position. it is going to be hard for him to do that. >> who is today the front runner in new hampshire? >> with romney, it is romney. with romne

they have had enough of wars enough of nation building and that's going to be jeb bush's biggest probleme himself from the george w. bush foreign policy. i don't think he can successfully. that's going to be his biggest hurdle. >> former governor ed rendell, thank you for your time tonight. >> my pleasure rev. >>> we're following breaking news, nbc news reporting that there is an active shooter incident in progress at the v.a. clinic in ft. bliss, texas. officials say the base is now on lockdown. both military and civilian police are in a stand-off with what is believed to be a lone shooter. no word yet on any casualties. more on this after the break. anks to the tools and help on experian.com. kaboom... well, i just have a few other questions. >>chuck, the only other question you need to ask is, "what else can you do for me?" i'll just take a water... get your credit swagger on. become a member of experian credit tracker and find out your fico score powered by experian. fico scores are used in 90% of credit decisions. they're coming. what do i do? you need to catch the 4:10 huh? the equ

the story is always that it was jeb bush that george bush senior saw as the natural successor in politics, not george w. it may end up being the case when jeb got around to having his chance to run for president, george w. had done so much damage to the family name jeb couldn't play that role his father always wanted him to play. >> steve are you going to be discussing the whole brady line about -- are you just going to suppress the news? >> come on you're from boston. >> i can't buy that story today. thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >>> coming up president obama will not be meeting with benjamin netanyahu when he comes to washington to lobby against the president at the invitation of john boehner. and house republicans should have known that their first big vote was going to be a failure. the women in their own party warned them. >>> later, quarterbacks and their balls. i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry but you worry. what happens when your paych

jeb bush definitely jeb bush definitely has the experience to be president.credibly strong economic record and he did exceptionally well with hispanics. hispanics. if you look at if you look at his second race for governor he got 14% with african-americans and he tied with women. those are those are all key constituencies that republicans need to do better better with. con con ser va tifts have some real cause for concern with his stance on stance on immigration and common core. it's his ability or it's his ability or inability to explain that to the explain that to the primary voter voter that will make or break the the candidacy. democrats have democrats have problems with -- >> hang in >> hang in there. i want to i want to bring mark in here. she brings up she brings up some important things. th if you get through a if you get through a primary as with jeb with jeb bush, he has a decent shot shot against hillary? >> no >> no kidding. i i have a lot of friends that are in the in the conservative movement and they all they all put their money on jeb bush bec

we talked to him about whether he would draw from the same donor class as jeb bush. here is what he said then. >> i think jeb is an excellent person and would be a traffic president. i think that about a lot of people running on the republican side. among this people, we will find someone who catches fire and ignites the interest of the republican base and someone who can go on to become president. that's why i said i'm not running, i'm not planning on running, and i've got nothing new on that story. >> all indications are he is serious about running. what does this mean about the guy who was just a few weeks ago was a front runner, jeb bush? >> nothing good. when you think about what he's done with these unexpectedly aggressive moves, it's mostly about tying up donors. it is mostly about money. mitt romney is, among all the potential establishment candidates, he's the only one that could freeze donors from going to bush. mitt romney's donors are very loyal. >> the silver lining to me for bush is if he wins the nomination fight, he will have beaten another strong cand

it's not so much romney wants to run against jeb bush he doesn't think jeb bush has the political skills think bush could beat hillary clinton in a general election. he think he's been right and vindicated since 2012 sitting on the sidelines still with the appetite to get in the race. >> with jeb bush's standpoint, we talk about it all the time the establishment versus the grass roots, is the idea for jeb bush, we want to put the heat on christie and romney. we want to corner the market and being that establishment candidate? >> certainly. what i reported yesterday and today's "washington post," it's almost like two boxers in the ring looking at each other and gauging where they are going to move next. mike murphy jeb bush's chief political strategist sat down with romney and felt each other out whether jeb was going to move fast or romney was going to move. two of the biggest families in republican politics, trying to react to each other and see who can get out there and get the nomination. >> rick wilson let me bring you into this. i want to talk about the ripple effects of this. you k

jeb bush will be running as a conservative reformer as someone who has a governing record. bush's background may not be a big pitch as to why he should be president. >> david shuster joins me now. he reported the peace. the value of jeb bush's funds are not a lot. when i saw that. $98million here. these private equity funds that we talk about and americans love to hate is much bigger. it's weird that people can't keep their hands out of it, the idea of private equity, foreign money coming in, tax shelters. i don't know how this sits with american voters. >> it doesn't sit when it seems like the politician is essentially trading pieces of paper or making money by making risky investments and you take the risk and the government, you know shoulders whatever if you don't fail to materialize on that risk. that's where jeb bush may have a problem. you're right, it's not to the scale of mitt romney, but it's not like ross perot who back in 1992 could point to an electronics company that created a lot of jobs and products that people can identify. it's difficult for average voters

anyway, to talk more about the jeb bush/mitt romney dynamic. steve moore joins us. t him on the screen. welcome this morning. i want to get to the jeb/romney question. the big news of mike huckabee making a pretty big step towards a presidential candidacy. i know there is a divide at conservative circles where he is very popular among social conservatives and sort of more economic conservatives have had reservations about him in the past. what is your reaction to mike huckabee getting into this? >> i'm not surprised at all that mike huckabee is taking a serious look at running and he a a, among all the field, the 10 or 12 people on the screen. he is probably the most popular which is a big part of the republican base. don't quote me on this but i believe, steve, that huckabee won the iowa primary a number of years ago. the caucuses there. so, he will be a force to be contended with no question about it. >> would you be comfortable with somebody like huckabee a nominee? >> i would be comfortable with any of these people. that's the way most conservative republicans fe

jeb bush and mitt romney are set to meet awkwardly in utah. ong those most instructed -- interested, rand paul, who just fired off a series of tweets mocking jeb and mitt. when it comes to the two, we have no idea what they will be talking about, but it is hard to imagine they will be able to avoid the elephant in the room the fact they want the same job. which of them has the stronger argument for talking the other out of running? >> the easy answer is to say romney has the weaker argument. he ran last time. republicans have not been impressed with his flirtation. they same it -- say mitt can't win. there is an alternative. romney has done it before. people can deride that. jeb bush has quietly done a great job. romney can still argue, i've done it. jeb can't prove what i've done. >> i will ask you later in this exchange which of those arguments you believe. i think the argument against romney running is much stronger. i know jim bush is rusty. i know he will have trouble getting through the republican nomination, but mitt romney got shellacke

so much money and that these key romney aides are defecting to jeb bush. i'm not really buying that wasn't a big reason that he decided not to run. >> yeah. there's been a couple of small instances like this one with mr. kochel going to the bush pac that have been highlighted by the media but there's a real scramble underway in the early voting states for staffers. there's so many republican candidates, and a finite number of real seasoned pros who can do this sort of stuff. so jeb bush was getting a lot of old mitt romney donors and supporters and volunteers and staffers, people sending him resumÉs. the romney campaign such as it was, or might have been recognized all that. i watched mitt romney's speech to the republican national committee when they were meeting out in san diego. they were cordial and polite and even some encouragement, but the whispers in the hallways were almost unanimous, people thought it was a little bit crazy. there was an indiana big summit of -- iowa big summit last weekend in des moines, and some of his potential rivals pretty mu

jeb bush is being judged as his father son and his brothers brother.hen actually he is neither of those. nobody knows him. in the movies they call it the reverse and revealed. that magic moment when you find out everything you think is true is not. the fat short guy is really the thin, tall one. that is what will happen with jeb bush. this is very different guy. >> a quick question. your friend mike murphy is orchestrating a strategy. he does an occasional youtube video but not a lot of public events. >> this will go on forever. if you are going out there and give your blood every day i do not think you will have much blood by the time this thing is over. jeb will raise a lot of money. a lot of this is the girl at the red dress at the end of the bar. you want to keep people hungry to know more about you. a little distance can be a good thing. >> marco rubio, he was the flavor of the week and he won the straw poll. are we reading too much because to your point, it is so early in the game? >> rubio is going to get a good ride. currently -- carly fiorina

say both jeb bush and mitt romney are in. ndicap that. >> i would defer to fred but i would that on bush. i think he's more likely to be the establishment choice but i think that's more complicated that it has been in the past. every cycle, it's getting harder and harder for the establishment to impose choice. if the field is fragmented, they probably do it again, but i would bet on bush. i think that's where most of the smart money would go. i think there's a general consensus, fair or unfair that romney did not run a very good campaign in 2012. would go the same route. even though his name is bush, jeb is the newer deal. >> the country is looking for a fresh new change. >> how about the back to the future election with push and clinton? >> i want to ask this question. we all basically assume because it has been the historical reality in the republican party that the establishment candidate ultimately staves off the grassroots candidate to become the nominee. the party has changed a lot. is there a chance the establishment ca

one of the candidates who was not there, ed, was jeb bush. at an event friday in california he said this about immigration. it tells you why he decided not to go to this event. >> we need to find a way, a path to legalized status for those that have come here and have languished in the shadows. there's no way that they're going to be deported. >> that's president obama's position. that's george w. bush's position. it used to be john mccain's position. can jeb bush sell that in today's republican paertd? >> been saying this for a while. i think we said it here before, that jeb bush is much more concerned and is looking to the general election, looking to the appeal to independents and maybe some democrats. he's less worried and concerned it seems about this early stuff. the question is, does that strategy work? there's a mixed bag on engaging or not engaging with iowa from the past few cycles. i look at it as kind of like members of the press. you know, somebody starts covering one story. we're not going to worry about that just yet. i guess w

. >> jeb bush has formed an exploratory committee and he's resigned from corporate boards and committee he's released emails from his tenure as florida governor. jeb is showing more than ankle, he's baring knees and hip. if jeb bush does run and wins the nomination and wins the general election, he will be make history as the third bush to be president of the united states. a big deal? no, the bushes are a dynasty and dynasties run in the u.s. dna notable examples are the rockefellers, the kennedies, the clintons, the browns of california, the cuomos of new york, the nunns of georgia, the pryors of arc and the bushes. >> question, if jeb bush runs, is he an instant front runner for the gop nomination? >> he's already a front runner and he's smart to have made his move early because in today's republican party there's only one for one sane character. he's considered moderate, he's run a state for two terms, he can raise money, which is really key, and i think the last name bush is not going to hurt him as much as people might think. >> name identification. >> i think we live in a world o

i spotted a weakness on the right when it comes to jeb bush. and it is interesting if you look at the polls, if you look at bush's popularity among republicans when you break it down into the sub groups when you get to the tea party and the base of the republican party, there is a base of those who don't like him as those who do like him. in the tea party, there was an assault and fight of the obama presidency and it was a purification campaign in the republican party and looking at george w. bush presidency with compassionate conservatism that gave conservatism a bad name and allowed the country to turn to barack obama. we will make sure we never nominate another compassionate conservatism. and so now jeb bush running on the middle of the road and they are saying we tried that with your brother and we're not doing that again. and that is something that romney saw. >> and that is all in play and doesn't get to the foreign policy when we are in an environment when we might have a security election and people talked about jeb bush as a security ma