and then jeb bush posted that, that whole e-mail at jeb bush e-mails.com. doxing. jeb bush had to face reporters about this, whether he even understood what he had just done to all these people. >> the social security numbers released, a lot of personal information, folks are upset. >> that was a matter of public record, so we just released it. >> would you do it differently? >> we have private information that's out there. we're going to take it off. for sure. >> you did that hundreds of thousands of times. jeb bush and the jeb bush for president folks initially did try to defend the release of those e-mails saying all of that personal information wasn't technically a secret. anyone could have requested it to the florida state government. and that is the way the law works in florida. but it's one thing to obtain somebody's personal e-mail address, personal information because you were trying to get it from the state of florida by way of an open records request for old personal e-mails that people sent to the former governor of the state, if you thought to do that.

former florida governor jeb bush. the challenge that he's got that nobody else has, is that he has to define himself as a third kind of bush. right? we had papi bush, and we had george bush, and he has to differentiate himself from the two previous presidents from his own nuclear family. what he appears to have settled on, what we have learned this week is that he wants to be the tech bush. e-bush, if you will. now, here's the first problem. it is hard to seem like a tech-savvy candidate for president if you never thought to buy the website address jeb bush for president.com. but that web address actually belongs to two adorable buehrle bears in oregon. they bought it several years ago for $8. they own the website. jeb bush is the e-bush, he never thought he might need that address, so they got it. this week, the jeb bush for president campaign, rolling him out as the tech guy, they did start a big public buildup to some new jeb bush for president website they were launching. we knew it would not be at the obvious url,

what i thought was interesting is jeb bush, like george w. bush, wants an idealistic foreign policy. he was also very critical and this was the most direct shot at george w. bush's administration that thinking that elections alone will solve the problem and talked about how in venezuela and gaza they were groups that won election that use the election to take more freedom away from the population. that is a very subtle difference from the emphasis on elections 10 years ago, more or less in the second inaugural address where he said no longer will we tolerate an era where we supported stability at the expense of values and we got neither. now you have jeb bush tweaking that slightly. he said we support the military dictator in egypt. his brothers administration was tough on my baruch -- mubarak. >> there was a lot of discussion about making us solvent -- that would indicate that jeb was leaning more toward his far -- father's foreign-policy. this is more of a realist conception, more like the elder bush or is he trying to mix up and take the be

mark: by every measure it is jeb bush.e will raise the most money the establishment likes him, a lot of members of congress would like to see him be the nominee. scott walker ahead in the new poll and is being seen by younger people as a more exciting alternative to jeb bush. if you go by traditional measures, jeb bush is the front runner. according to web fundraising it is scott walker. john: right now, scott walker, the poll puts him ahead. he has 17 points between him and jeb bush in iowa. a place where scott walker needs to win. you also see in this poll that jeb bush way worse numbers than anyone else in the republican field. 40% unfave and a lot of republicans will not vote for him. he is the front runner but scott walker is coming out strong. mark: bush needs as the front runner to play in all of them. does he stretch himself too thin trying to beat walker and others in iowa, trying to be crisp in new hampshire, he will have to have a place to win. you have to win an early stage and you have to compete everywhere. j

i'm jeb bush. i'm a different kind of bush. don't see me as an outgrowth of the other two members of my family who have recently been president, i am my own man. and here's what went wrong. here's what went wrong about that, as a campaigning for president screwup, right? while the press was absorbing the jeb bush foreign policy address and his declaration that he is his own man and different from his father and his brother, they were also given by the jeb bush for president folks a handout, a list of foreign policy advisers that jeb bush was taking council from or had endorsements from in his soon-to-be run for the presidency. they gave out a list of 21 names. of those 21 names, 13 of those people worked on foreign policy issues for jeb bush's brother, george w. bush. two of them worked on foreign policy issues for his father, poppy bush. and four of them worked on foreign policy for both his brother and his dad in their administrations. and then one of them is george schultz, who's now 94. he was secretary of state when his --

jeb bush -- >> jeb bush first, marco rubio second and scott walker third.s that roughly match up with your sense of who is doing well? >> the surprises how powerful rubio is even on jeb bush's shoulders. >> if he is not on the top tier he is pretty close. >> round up the usual suspects. >> you raised the question of internet strength. that is a big one. it has to be rand paul. >> also, scott walker. >> watch out for ted cruz for all the reasons we talked about. >> one more. 12 white guys on a stage and one very smart woman. >> we are not done yet. we will talk about hillary clinton including jeffrey epstein. we are going there after the break. ♪ >> we are back. we spent the last segment reviewing republicans and now we are talking about democrats. let's talk about the nominee in waiting hillary clinton. she is giving a speech tomorrow. no message -- is that a problem that she should address and if so how? >> can i sell her stock short? she has been in the public life for 20 years and nobody knows what she is for. >> should she address it now? >> her whole c

obviously someone very important to jeb bush, but many americans have never heard her voice. d not talk today. let's hear her say something she said a little while ago. >> columba bush: [speaking spanish] >> as far as we know, she has not done any public events cents jeb bush has considered running for president. mark: some of the other candidates are a lot more active. here is kelley paul. wife of rand paul. >> kelley paul: real change and taking on the establishment is hard, and that is why so few people in government actually do anything. rand always fights for the principles that he believes in. mark: so kelley has a book that is coming out and she is pretty active politically. most of the spouses of the 2016 candidates are like jeb bush's wife, you don't see them. so which one, based on what you know about, have the potential to either be helpful or harmful to the candidates? john: i, like most americans don't know very many of these spouses, just at the first cut. columba bush is a compelling candidate, she was born in mexico, she could be as big an asset as any spouse i

. >> if jeb bush holds a meeting people are going to come. far more than lobbying and comparison contributions it's access. >> bush and his foundation sit at the center of a complicated web of money and policy. take the state of maine as an example which began considering privately run virtual schools in 2011. companies like k-12 inc. donated money to bush's election campaign, and steven bowen, a member of bush's for change group. part of the american legislative council or alec unites government officials. >> it is a joy to be with alec this is the fountain head of a lot of interesting ideas. >> forming the education agenda in 2011 and that same year many alec bills that allowed privately run schools passed in the state house. jeb bush declined comment and stepped down from his position earlier this year to concentrate on his run. but demonstrated gains in achievement and blow-average test scores can be attributed to a disproportionate amount of low income students and those already underperforming at other schools. still analysts say bush's

if you go by traditional measures, jeb bush is the front runner.ccording to fundraising it is scott walker. john: right now, scott walker the poll puts him ahead. he has 17 points between him and jim ocean iowa. that will be at rate -- a place where scott walker needs to win. you also see in this poll that jeb bush way worse numbers than anyone else in the republican field. 41% unfave and a lot of republicans will not vote for him. he is the front runner but scott walker is coming out strong. mark: he needs as the front runner to play in all of them. as he stretched himself too thin trying to beat walker and others in iowa, trying to be crisp in new hampshire, he will have to have a place to win. you have to win an early stage and you have to compete everywhere. john: rand paul did better with moderate republicans. hillary clinton broke a long silence with a paid speech and i do mean paid. unless you think 300 k is chump change. she was talking about women and technology. she did kind of wink at us. >> my friend madeline all right famously said the

how does jeb bush bring his power to the conversation? what is the personality he places on these individuals that allows them to maybe -- you assume all of them agreed with the policies as implemented by president bush. obviously that was not the case with colin powell for example. >> but paul hasn't had issue to mea culpa. >> i don't expect that is the prerequisite going forward. you can't take it at face value that paul is now with jeb that that is going to be the same policy. i don't think you can make that correlation. >> granted jeb bush if he is the president, will be his own man. he is physically not the same person as george w. bush. but let me just ask you a question. if you are an american voter and here is jeb bush who has a careful, very difficult and nuanced line to tread on iraq specifically and jeb bush has now hired george bush's adviser on iraq it makes that case a lot more difficult, does it not? >> i disagree. i don't think it does. i would wait to hear what jeb bush has to say. what is going to be the going forward pri

but there is something out there, as strong as i think jeb bush is as a candidate, there is something out there about the grassroots really not wanting another bush. >> i think it's less about -- to me, it's less about common core and about immigration than it is about this dynastic establishment thing. that's the most powerful part of that argument, i think. not the specifics of the thing. >> break out the theme from "dynasty." those other issues matter too. >> moving on. gay marriage is legal in alabama. or is it? the federal courts say yes. the state's chief justice says no. in dozens of counties today, judges are declining to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. so i have to ask you, on the road to national gay marriage, if that's where we're headed, is this a blip or something bigger? >> the biggest thing that happened today in the long-term is that the supreme court in choosing not to grant a stay to the federal judge's order here basically tipped their hand as if there was any doubt before. there are five, maybe six votes overturned outlawing same-sex marriage. at the s

the white house. >>> former florida governor and potential 2016 republican presidential candidate jeb bushe obama administration's foreign policy today. his speech before the chicago council on global affairs just wrapped up. besides his criticism of president obama, governor bush also tried to distinguish his views from those of two former presidents one was his brother the other, his dad. >> i've also been fortunate to have a father and a brother who helped shape america's foreign policy from the oval office. i recognize it as a result my views will often be held up in comparison to theirs. in fact this is a great, fascinating thing in the political world for some reason. sometimes in contrast to theirs. look, just for the forward the record one more time i love my brother, i love my dad, i love my mother as well, i hope that's okay. and i admire their service to the nation and the difficult decisions that they had to make. but i'm my own man. and my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. >> let's discuss. joining us david chalian and our cnn chief national correspon

jeb bush at the talk -- top.will ask you, what are they doing right right now to help your chances? >> jeb bush is running as the ideas candidate. what he's doing wrong is running as the ideas candidate. >> what he's doing well is what his brother did so well. is going to have a pretty big impact because he has all the money in the institutional's or. i don't think he's doing a good job picking his that that will probably improve as he goes. >> scott walker, the governor of wisconsin. was he doing right and wrong? >> what he's doing right is he's the new face, the fresh face in people that -- someone on the right that people really like. i don't think he's doing anything wrong yet. his moment could have been stronger. >> without doing anything, he just is. is he doing anything to reinforce that? >> he is not washington or the establishment and he does not have the famous last name. people are talking about him. >> he has stopped restraining his enthusiasm. he is getting a little more exciting. scott walker unleas

now if jeb bush got his hands on the economy, we can only imagine what would happen to these numbers. bush wants to deregulate wall street and give power back to the big banks. bush is already talking less government oversight. >> if you want to close the opportunity cap, grow the economy. this is a principle that concentrates the mind. if a law subtracts from growth why are we discussing it? for what it's worth, i think the united states should settle for anything less than 4% of growth every year. at that rate the middle class can thrive again and in the coming months i intend to detail how we can get there. >> if i had an opportunity to sit down and visit with jeb bush i would ask him what government rule or regulation got in the way of 58 months of private sector job growth? could we have gotten 11 million jobs added had we not done the stimulus package? this is where it gets really tricky for bush and any other republican who wants to be president. the republicans have to sell they even know what the middle class is. jeb bush went on to say that he cares about opportunity for eve

jeb bush you like a lot. go ahead. >> take your best shot. >> you like jeb bush.e's out there now testing the waters little bit, thinking of running. tell us what you think so far as a former white house political director. what is jeb bush doing well as he introduces himself to the country, and what would you say he needs to do better? >> i'm not going to handicap any one individual. it is a good thing for our democracy that there are going to be apparently a lot of alternatives offered. if you want to know what i think the medically, and -- thematically, and what i hope the priorities are for whoever are our two choices, you can look back at the response i offered to the 2012 state of the union. it sums up my thoughts today both about priorities and about the tone of any campaign about the need to try to draw people together, as opposed to the tendency, which we have seen in both parties the last few years to drive cleavages between us. if we are going to tackle the really big problems facing this country of income disparity, of the entitlements the lumen crushi

jeb bush? anthony: i am not sure how it is going to work because i think it depends on how jeb bush will position himself visit the -- vis-a-vis his brother. mark: lying about it? anthony: lying about the information to get us into the war in iraq so i do have a lot of respect for the bush families, and i think they are sincere, but i don't think that honestly any republican that you could say recently could be off the board for the democrats, so -- john: let's talk about hillary, you are a member of the family by marriage in some ways. anthony: i am a member of the family in terms of being that guy in the corner of the room. [laughter] john: what you think she is my to do to get into the race and what are the pros and cons of earlier verses later? anthony: i understand we have to talk about stuff, and i know that we're in to talk about it right now, but honestly, what difference does it make? there are all kinds of things you have to report and things like that, and jumping in early music you

what will jeb bush say? >> i'm waiting for jeb bush to be asked this question.y gut is that he will answer this question in the right way. i have a feeling he will answer it a better way than scott walker did. >> someday, scott walker is going to look at that tape and shake his head. >> in 2012, new york jets owner woody johnson raised millions of dollars for mitt romney. in picking -- in 2016, we learned that he is not acting chris christie -- he is backing jeb bush. this is a blow to chris christie, no doubt. is it a sign that chris christie is toast? >> he is not toast, but this hurts. he has been written off earlier. he owns a new jersey football team. he owns a new jersey football team. ' it is not the first tri-state area bundler christie has lost to jeb bush, but i am telling you right now, i don't believe the christie people know how bad it is. i know they have recognized that they have lost people, but people are writing him off. >> while scott walker is here he didn't handle that question well, but the truth is, among new york donors who don't want jeb

. >> me too. >> people say jeb bush is the brightest bush. o hi he's the dumbest. >> why doesant the base -- why is the became not thrilled about jeb? because jeb bush and the republican establishment have made it clear they think the republican party's big problem is republican voters and not democrats and their policies. >>> can he overcome this, jamal? >> you know on one side he's got the top radio folks coming after him. on the other side he's got these young activists really looking for somebody more like a rand paul. you would be surprised at the number of young republicans i hear about in my friends' families that are following rand paul. they think that rand paul is the ticket for the election so i think jeb bush has got a fight on two sides. both of right-wing adult conservatives and these millennials more enamored with a much more passionate conservative like rand. >> the other big jeb bush problem, margie is that he has that last name. yesterday he says he's his own man, but he reminded us an awful lot of his big brother. take a lis

what will jeb bush they question -- rand paul say about this? what will jeb bush say? >> i have a feeling he will answer it a better way than scott walker did. >> someday i scott walker is going to look at that tape and shake his head. >> in 2016 we learned that he is backing jeb bush. this is a blow to chris christie , no doubt. is it a sign that chris christie is toast? >> he is not toast, but this hurts. this guy raised a ton of money or mitt romney -- for mitt romney. he owns a new jersey football team. it is not the first tri-state area bundler christie has lost to jeb bush, but i am telling you right now, i don't believe the christie people know how bad it is. people are writing him off. >> while scott walker is here he didn't handle it well, but the truth is, among new york donors who don't want jeb bush, they have an open ear for his -- an open ear for scott walker. because they don't want chris christie. that is why scott walker is getting a hearing this week. >> i think the one upside for christie is he is going to have to fight for it now in a way that's not

jeb bush had a pretty good week. the question is what does he make of it. he gave a speech to the detroit economic club. he said, i'm a republican who cares about cities. i'm a republican who cares about poverty. but the question for jeb bush is, yes, he'd be a strong general election candidate. can he win the republican election when he counters the base on the administration. he says this one should be easy. >> this should be the lowest hanging fruit to be honest with you because this is a huge opportunity. immigration is not a problem. the immigrant experience in our country makes us unique and special and different and it is part of our extraordinary success over time. >> has he been watching his party the last six weeks? he's talking about legalism i m immigration and he's right, however, has he been to iowa or south carolina in the past six years and tried to tell an activist republican voter immigration is great? >> that is going to be the problem. he's seen a lot of economics clubs, a rlot of us, not so muc voters. governor bush did something gutsy.

jeb bush at the top.e will run through some of these candidates and ask you what are they doing right right now to help their chances of getting elected? what are they doing wrong? >> jeb bush is running as the ideas candidate. he represents a new republican party. what's he doing wrong? running as the ideas candidate. the guy that always gets shot is the point man on the squad, the guy that is always far ahead. >> he's going to have a pretty big impact because he has all the money and the institutional support that goes with it. i don't think he's doing a good job picking his that that will probably improve as he goes. >> scott walker, the governor of wisconsin. was he doing right and wrong? >> what he's doing right is he's the new face, the fresh face in -- that people on the right that people really like. i don't think he's doing anything wrong yet. probably he missed a moment in london today. he could have been stronger. >> without doing anything, he just is. is he doing anything to reinforce that? >>

jeb bush tax brother data snooping calls obama weak. here is more from the address. vernor bush: we must be prepared to address the new asymmetric am a non-state-sponsored threats that consuming the news, but have emerged as the greatest security threat we face for our homeland. these threats come nearly every day. they come in the form of the most evil and horrific barbaric acts on innocent life. passengers on an airplane or a subway, office workers, shoppers at a kosher market, congregants at a synagogue, children at a school, cartoonists after drafting tables, or christians simply practicing their faith. al qaeda, isis, taliban, and others set their sights on the softest of targets. exploiting the freedoms of the west to attack western life. we must be prepared for a long-term commitment to fight this battle. these attacks require a response on many levels, but we should focus on preventing them. that requires responsible intelligence gathering and analysis, including the nsa metadata program which can take gas contributes to the awareness of potential terror cells

bush administration, so jeb's dad anticipates presidential administration. one of the weirder political knocks they took when i was president was the u.s. senate deciding not once but twice, to reject someone who bush supported to be the u.s. attorney in the state of florida. the nominee is a guy who got admonished by the justice department for the way he ran his office. the attorney general of the united states had to wade into this guy's office and take him personally off a high profile prosecution because he was not seen as being experienced enough or temperamentally suited enough to handle a high profile prosecution. so the attorney general of the united states had to step in and take him off it. the fbi background on this guy recounted a whole bunch of previous allegations of domestic violence against him. for all of those reasons and others besides, the senate rejected this nomination for this guy to be u.s. attorney. rejected it once. but still, for some reason poppy bush nominated him again and did him the insult of rejecting his nominee for the secon

jeb bush is not going to run in iowa.on't even know if he is going to compete there he is a moderate. and that's a conservative caucus. am i wrong? it a conservative caucus. 55 a 7% of the caucus goers in 2012 were self-identified social conservatives you do have a very conservative group of people that attend the caucuses. do i think. this first of all, i think there will be more -- a broader pool of people drawn into the caucuses this year because there is going to be a lot more candidates and that tends to generate more turnout. second of all the interesting thing in this poll is not exactly where everybody is but that there was so much movement between october and today for scott walker and you have to chart it to one fact. he went and made a fantastic speech at the iowa freedom forum which got played on radio and talked about across the state. >> walker was in very good shape. very very good shape. may be peaking too early. >> be careful. look at the past. at this point in 20011 the frontrunner in the des moines regi

rand paul still talking about vaccines, but jeb bush is rolling out his online jeb bush for presidenthey made a big deal about hiring this guy as his new chief technology officer. shortly after making the announcement of that making the announce announcement, that guy's history started to disappear. new study confirms old belief. college art majors are sluts. or this one. most people don't know that halloween is german for night for girls with low self-esteem dress like sluts. or there are 12 girls that will never amount to anything other than being some girl that's left with tiger woods. so he seems nice. where did you find him? that's who jeb bush just hired to be his chief media officer. we don't know exactly what kind of website it is but we do know that it goes live tomorrow and will include the first chapter of his new e-book as well as information from his time as governor. we also know that the new jeb bush for president will not be at the web address jeb bush for president.com. not because he's shy about that at all. but because these gentlemen, this couple from oregon they a

>> jeb bush has to win new hampshire. he will lose iowa.ou've got to win one of the -- particularly if you're considered to be something of a front runner and everything else -- if jeb bush loses new hampshire, they will get mitt romney back in the race. [laughter] >> boy. >> you've got it on tape. >> that was james carville at the museum in washington last night. whatever you think of the raging cajun's prediction, it raises a subject worthy of down -- of discussion. do we basically know the republican field? do we know the shape of it, or are there surprise entries yet to come? >> if jeb bush performs politically as well as he is performing in finance, i think we know the field. there are three people looming out there waiting to see if bush fails this year, or as carvel says, next year. one is romney, who i was amazed when he got out of the race. people just said, he's done. no. he is still looming. >> he left the door a little open. >> that is plan>> a. if rick santorum wins iowa and rand paul wins new hampshire, they a step the establi

and rand paul is opening up a new campaign attack against jeb bush. jeb's use of drugs when she was in high school. >> every mayor, governor police chief, sheriff and police commissioner should be concerned about this. >> funding the department of homeland security. >> it's absolute insanity for republicans if we don't vote on a clean bill. maybe if their state was attacked they would knock it off. >> this is all about time. >> time is running out. >> when they make decisions, i'll let you know. >> it's about time for them to grow up and pass this pill. >> i want a commander in chief who will do everything in their power to ensure that the threat from read call islamic terrorists do not wash up on american soil. >> the annual gathering of the conservative political action conference. >> we have a job to do. >> men and women gathered here today are gathered to fight for freedom in our country. >> and that job is not just to find the guy who can shout freedom the loudest. >> the people want freedom online. >> the future of the internet may have just been

a lot of people will have episodic scrutiny, but jeb bush bad judgment.f they hired the guy they did not know worse judgment. >> and hiring a guy who is a tech guru, and you would think of all of the people who had familiarity with what he put on my -- >> all right, later on the show we will put david axelrod through an obstacle course. the chief justice of the alabama supreme court, the man at the center over the same-sex marriage issue, he will join us live from alabama right after this. ♪ ♪ >> they say that all politics is local, and, boy, is that true and joining us now is a judge you talks about not issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples even though a judge has said it is legal. chief justice, thanks for coming on the show. >> thank you. nice to be with you, sir. >> we want to ask you about history, a bit. you're being compared to george wallace, who stood up against the federal government on immigration. is george wallace and inspiration to you and the struggle you are going through? >> no, this is not anything to do about race or the color o

jeb bush says he's his own man.it's foreign policy you want to consult people with experience. in the republican primaries the bush name is a great asset but also a liability in others, right? >> it is. i think the question is for a lot of these republican voters we talked to in iowa and new hampshire, he is his own man. wa kind of man is he? it was interesting to see that speech in chicago, it echoed a lot more of his father's foreign policy, his temperament when it comes to global affairs and his brother. i think you're going to see rand paul, however, he sees an alley. he sees an alley up to the nomination because you have all of these hawks crowding the space in the race and not a lot of noninterventionist voices. maybe paul could find traction. >> what is he supposed to do in the sense that his father and brother are the last two republican presidents? i can't have anyone who works from them so i'm going to get foreign policy advice from four guys off the subway? he has no choice. >> whenever you run for presid

they were in fact misaligned. >> no question that the immediate winner is jeb bush because jeb bush was already building establishment support, taking away people in camp romney last time, key staffers, key activists or key money people. mitt romney on the way out, can you not read this as a shot of jeb bush. >> i believe that one of our next generation of republican leaders, one who may not be as well known as i am today, one who has not taken their message across the country, one who's just getting started may well emerge as being better able to defeat the democrat nominee. in fact, i expect and hope that to be the case. >> help me here, jackie. next generation? next generation. >> right. >> same generation may not be as well known as i am today. bush is a pretty well known name in the country. >> right. >> why? >> he's not -- he's never been -- he hasn't been a fan of jeb bush. he's made that abundantly clear. he doesn't think he can win. now this gives mitt romney the ability to be a king maker. now he moves into party elder. that's why you see him meeting with christie. we'll see h

>> governor christie, jeb bush walker -- who knows? is case it going to run? john kasich going to run? >> is here forth -- is he your fourth or is it bush? >> well, i don't know if john kasich is going to run or not. >> those are the four who are thinking about running. >> you've talked about the party needs a new image. is governor bush someone who can set that standard? >> he has not been a nominee in the past. >> nobody running has been the nominee in the past. >> when mitt romney was thinking about running, he was a nominee in the past. >> you are not more favorably someone like a jeb bush? >> on the 2012 campaign, one of my jobs was to identify surrogates who could travel a -- the country without the candidate and raise money on their own. it did not matter where we sent marco rubio. he was willing and eager to help governor romney, but when he would go places, the crowd was electrified. they love having him there. he was able to raise money, he had grassroots support. people were excited to have marco rubio. >> it seems like you are more enthusiastic abo

>> jeb bush, any supporters? >> jeb bush faces the first test at 2016 at cpac. >> i would say i'm a practicing reform minded conservative. >> two retail giants raise the minimum wage. will more companies follow suit? >>> why the former ceo of men's wearhouse agrees with president obama. >>> and george mckay joins me. talking about his old friend. >>> good evening from new york. we begin with breaking news tonight in the biggest test of john boehner's leadership. since election the republicans have failed to pass funding for the homeland defense. it failed tonight by have vote of 224 to 203. while spearer boehner has failed to lead this was, quote, a stunning and humiliating set back. that blow came from 52 republicans that voted against him. the democrats held firm on their determination to only hasz a long-term bill. so it expires tonight and creates a partial government shut down. let's get right to it with kelly o'donnell who has been all over this story. quite an evening on capitol hill, what is the latest? >

this couple from oregon, they are the proud owners of jeb bush for president.com. been since 2008. c.j. phillips and charlie rainwater are self-described high-tech bears. they've been together for 20 years. they're both in tech and disagree with bush's record and remarks on gay rights. and thanks to them, there is a handy place to talk about gay rights, which is jeb bush for president.com. joining us now are the proud owners of that website. thank you for being here. i'm so happy to meet you. >> we're happy to be here. >> first of all, i feel like i've made a big deal out of the fact that you guys are bears and call yourselves high-tech bears. i hope that hasn't bothered you at all. >> right back at you. >> not at all. >> sometime i'll tell you about the gardening bears. they said though lived where the gardens were so nice it was bear-sigh. you guys were living in texas when you decided to buy this website in the first place. >> we were living in austin, which is an amazing city. and there was this weird convergence of the timing of the other bush getting out of of

jeb bush. but you have suggested he's part of the mushy middle. what puts him there? >> well look. jeb bush is a good man. he's a good governor. i respect him. if he chooses to run, it looks like he will. he'll have to make the case to primary voters concerning his record concerning center ecertainly his support for common core concerning his policies on immigration. i think we'll have a debate on that. but at the end of the day, i think republicans are looking for a leader. and i'll tell you, george, what i would urge every republican thinking about running to do, this is true of senators, governors, stand up and lead. i would be thrilled if six nths from now, we have a haslf dozen republicans standing and leading and making a case. there is a better way we can get back to the free market principles and constitutional liberties that built this country and made the country a shining city on a hill. >> sounds like a vigorous debate coming. i know you have to catch a plane. thank you very much. >

. >> and jeb bush?> jeb bush could have had glamour if his brother had never existed, but unfortunately he has to deal with the legacy of being the other brother. >> rand paul? >> rand paul as a person doesn't have glamour, but as a message, he has the glamour of the ideal lib libertarian or the constitutionalist america. >> marco rubio? >> marco rubio is still largely unknown to people, but he could have glam more because of the life story. >> bobby jindal? >> i think a that the idea of bobby jindal is glamorous to people but again like rick perry, he tries too hard. >> rick santorum? >> rick santorum is so narrow in the appeal, it is hard to see him as glams rouse. >> and ben carson? certainly, he has a lot of misery. >> he does have a lot of mystery, because he is a surgeon and not a politician, and not a policy wonk, but behind the mystery is somebody who is completely new to politic, and that is a problem. >> mike huckabee. >> he represents the folks like me in the media and kind of glamour, but it