the hardest. >> jeb bush is a total lightweight. >> reporter: and even did so after bush ended his candidacyne. he forgot three -- he forgot three words according to i'll say it, "new york times." three words, donald john trump. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. >>> much more ahead in the next hour of "360" including a new attack by donald trump. how the presidential nominee is firing back at the 50 former senior republican national security experts who call him dangerous to the country. just when you think you know what a computer is. you see a keyboard that can just, get out of the way. and a screen you can touch. and even write on. when you see a computer that can do all that, it might just make you wonder... hey, what else can it do? ♪ ♪ [ tires screech ] flo: [ ghost voice ] oooo! [ laughs ] jaaaaamie, the name your price tool can show you coverage options to fit your budget. tell me something i don't know -- oh-- ohhh! she slimed me. which i probably should've seen coming. [ laughs ] just checking my free credit score at credit karma. what the??? you're welcome. i just helped yo

jeb bush wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't making strong borders. i'm not knocking jeb bush but i was with him for a long time -- >> right, but he was mocked for saying, look, you can't deport 11 million people. i know you're not really focusing -- sbl first i want to see what's going to happen. we're going to deport many people. many, many people. >> so here's what i believe is the best interpretation of this right now. again, if it turns out to be different in five minutes, don't hold me to it. but it's basically that he is coming in to this with his new campaign team wanting him to be more appealing to not just minorities but, more importantly, to moderate republicans, independents, even some democrats potentially, by sounding more tol rent. and this is the next phase of doing that. the challenge he has though, john, is doing that while not angering the people who really do want everybody to go. whether they're good citizens. whether they've got families of 14 who -- maybe not citizens but good members of society, families of 14 who are doing qui

the hardest. >> jeb bush is a total lightweight. >> reporter: and even did so after bush ended his candidacyhe forgot three -- he forgot three words according to i'll say it, "new york times." three words, donald john trump. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. >>> much more ahead in the next hour of "360" including a new attack by donald trump. how the presidential nominee is firing back at the 50 former senior republican national security experts who call him dangerous to the country. ter craftsman turns an ordinary experience into an extraordinary one. get great offers at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. lease the 2016 es 350 for $329 a month for 36 months and we'll make your first month's payment. see your lexus dealer. man, my feet same time tomorrow, fellas!? dr. scholl's massaging gel work insoles absorb a hard day on your feet for comfort that keeps you feeling more energized. dude's got skills. dr. scholl's work insoles. schwarzkopf presents color ultÎme. a model needs vibrant hair color to light up the runway. its color blend formula locks pigment in for brilliant, vib

jeb bush wasn't building a wall and making strong borders and i'm not knocking jeb bush. i was with him for a long time. >> he was mocked for saying that, look, you can't deport 11 million people and it seems like, i know you're not focusing on it. >> first, i want to see what is going to happen. we are going to deport many people. we're going to find out who they are. we have crime all over this country. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization? >> there is no path to legalization, unless people leave the country. well, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> they still have to leave the country. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> so, there are two people here who know a lot about this. our chief political correspondent dana bash is with me and also because immigration is a legal issue, as well. our senior legal analyst jeffy toobin is here. that whole legal thingy. how frustration is it not to hear anderson's questions in their entirety an

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trump now agreeing with jeb bush who he sharply criticized as weak on immigration. conservatives left with whiplash. >> can you imagine if you're jeb bush today? who knew? i'm sorry. >> reporter: jeb bush flabbergasted on wabc radio. against he seems to be morphing into. it's kind of disturbing. >> reporter: but will it matter? >> there will be some short-term noise about it. but i don't see this blowing up in his face the way some are predicting. >> reporter: today clinton intensified her criticism as trump took his name calling to new extremes. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color -- >> reporter: trump repeated that claim again in an interview tonight. it seems that he feels that turning the tables will help turn

jeb bush wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't making strong borders. but i was with him for a long time. >> he was mocked for saying that look, you can't deport 11 million people. now it seems like, i know you are not really -- >> first i want to see what's going to happen. we are going to deport many people, many, many people. >> the vast majority of those 11 million are not criminals. >> we will find out who they are. we have crime all over -- >> if they haven't committed a crime is there going to be a path to citizenship, legalization? >> no. there is no path to legalization. >> you talked about back taxes with hannity. >> well, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> they still have -- >> there's no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> so that means of the 11 million who are here, even if they haven't committed a crime -- >> again, you keep saying 11 million. you don't know what the number is. you know -- >> however many. that's the estimate. >> using the existing laws of ou

trump now agreeing with jeb bush who he sharply criticized as weak on immigration. conservatives left with whiplash. >> can you imagine if you're jeb bush today? who knew? i'm sorry. >> reporter: jeb bush flabbergasted on wabc >> all things that donald trump railed against he seems to be morphing into. it's kind of disturbing. >> reporter: but will it matter? >> there will be some short-term noise about it. but i don't see this blowing up in his face the way some are predicting. >> reporter: today clinton intensified her criticism as trump took his name calling to new extremes. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color -- >> reporter: trump repeated that claim again in an interview tonight. it seems that he feels favor. >> from a political storm to the real thing, we're keeping an eye on one gathering and getting even closer to the u.s. a potential tropical threat for the southeast. al roker is tracking the storm. al, what's the latest? >> lester, this thing hasn't turned into a tropical storm yet but we do look to see this invest area 99-l. 70% in the

that is jeb bush's son. jeb bush, remember jeb. trump called low energy. and on. what is george p. bush thinking and what could jeb bush be thinking about what his son did? >> i think george p. bush could think about his future in the republican party. there has been talk for him continuing the legacy of the bush family. this is a good way for him to get before the cameras and make national news as he has. the bush family, we have not been speaking about for a while. this also could be an opportunity for the donald trump campaign to rally support and targeting behind hispanic voters. the younger bush is hispanic and perhaps can help hispanic voters rally behind trump. >> it is clear, eugene, we are seeing republicans looking toward the future taking two paths. those who get alongside donald trump. at least through the presidential election and those who cannot support him at all. john kasich is among them. listen to what kasich said to jake tapper. >> i have not endorsed him. >> do you know what you will do? >> no, we still have time. it's something i think

. >> the weakest person on this stage by far on illegal immigration is jeb bush. he's so weak on illegal immigration, it's laughable. and everybody knows it. >> reporter: the pivot on immigration provoked howls from some of those opponents. an ally of ted cruz told fox news, trump's shifting on this issue is no different than if ted cruz were to support obamacare. it's a complete reversal on the promise he made to the primary voters who elected him. and this from jeb bush. >> all the things that donald trump railed against, he seems to be morphing into kind of disturbing. >> reporter: even trump's most staunch supporters seem alarmed and it's failed to silence his detractors. a group of undocumented immigrants protested at trump tower today. >> just because you're talking louder than me don't make you right. >> reporter: the clinton campaign is clearly alarmed by donald trump's new outreach to minority voters. since he undertook that pivot, his poll numbers in places like north carolina have now moved from outside to well within the margin of error. and trump will

jeb bush's oldest son george p. upport trump. the texas land commissioner says it's time to unify. >> you know, from team bush it's a bitter pill to swallow. you get back up and you help the man that won and you make sure that we stop hillary clinton. >> it's in secret jeb bush and donald trump saw eye to eye. what did mr. trump really think of jeb? here's a look back at the colorful language he used. "no honor, low energy, clueless, hypocrite, failure, desperate, sad, weak, needs help from mommy, pathetic, sad sack, poor, puppet, soft, embarrassment -- excuse me, total embarrassment, confused. a basket case." folks, the list goes on and on here. joining me, jack barkroft, the vice president of the republican county's texas association. you remember that language thrown at governor bush, do you not? >> i do. >> so you're a trump supporter. in your opinion the room when george p. bush said listen, bitter pill to swallow but it's time, i endorse him. how did the overall room react to that? >> they immediately reacted w

. >> the weakest person on this stage by far on illegal immigration is jeb bush. he's so weak on illegal immigration, it's laughable. and everybody knows it. >> reporter: the pivot on immigration provoked howls from some of those opponents. an ally of ted cruz told fox news, trump's shifting on this issue is no different than if ted cruz were to support obamacare. it's a complete reversal on the promise he made to the primary voters who elected him. and this from jeb bush. >> all the things that donald trump railed against, he seems to be morphing into kind of disturbing. >> reporter: even trump's most staunch supporters seem alarmed and it's failed to silence his detractors. a group of undocumented immigrants protested at trump tower today. >> just because you're talking louder than me don't make you right. >> reporter: the clinton campaign is clearly alarmed by donald trump's new outreach to minority voters. since he undertook that pivot, his poll numbers in places like north carolina have now moved from outside to well within the margin of error. and trump will

jeb bush is probably pounding his head against the wall at this point.ever mind jeb bush but other people like lindsey graham and most of the wide range of 17 -- 16 other candidates who ran against donald trump. on the policy, but more importantly, even someone like ted cruz, you can argue his immigration policy was more contelephoco conservative and hard line than donald trump, and making for months and months is warning conservatives he's not really one of you. he just became a conservative a minute ago and you can't really trust to what he's saying despite how great it sounds that. is frustration with these former candidates and the people who were for them, wondering wait a minute, did the party get -- you know, get conned. >> yeah, get high jacked. and i want to ask you -- you said "conned." that's an important word. you spoke with the campaign manager and the deportation force was to be determined. >> correct. >> does this show a force between him and his new team? >> no, i think -- my sense and my reporting is that it's because he is working throu

. >> but that's jeb bush's policy. >> i don't know anything about jeb bush. he wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't making strong borders. i'm not knocking jeb bush, but i was with him for a long time. >> he was mocked for saying, look, you can't deport 11 million people. it now seems like -- >> first, i want to see what's going to happen. we're going to deport many people. many, many people. >> they have not committed a crime. we have crime all over this country. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization? >> no, there's no path to legalization. you talked about paying back taxes. >> less people leave the country. when they come back in. if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> they still have to leave the country. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> so, that means of the 11 million who are here, even if they haven't committed a crime. >> you keep saying 11 million. you don't know what the number is. >> that's the estimate. >> using the existing laws o

like his father jeb bush.do you think this means for his uncle, his grandfather, his father at this point? do you think this moves them at all? >> i doubt it. i mean, you know, if you look back at his grandfather, he was not a terribly ideological republican, pretty pragmatic. he's the guy you know who said read my lips, no new taxes, and then raised taxes. i think the thing donald trump represents is more a stylistic, affront to everything bush. they sort of play politics in a certain way, viewing it as a contact sport. but, you know, with rules that gentlemen play by and donald trump doesn't meet that definition. but i think the older bushes are going to cut some slack to p., as we call him, because he's in a world they didn't have to navigate. he's in a much tougher position. the bush's brand on republicanism is if anything, at risk of extinct. >> appreciate you being with us, thanks. >>> hacked e-mails losing the top spot at the dnc and now fighting for her day job. debbie wasserman schultz agreed to debat

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. >> here's jeb bush bush today.ake a listen. >> i can only say that whatever his views are this morning, they might change this afternoon and they were different than they were last night and they'll be different tomorrow. so i can't comment on his views because his views are -- they seem to be ever changing depending on what crowd he's in front of. sound like a typical politician, by the way, where you get in front of one crowd and say one thing and say something else to another crowd that may want to hear a different view, all the things that donald trump railed against, he seems to be morphing into. i don't know what to believe about a guy who doesn't believe in things. i mean, this is all a game. his views will change based on the feedback he gets from a crowd or what he thinks he has to do. >> typical politician. i'm wondering, dana, if people are going to look at it as sour grapes but he does have a point. he's said what jeb bush has said but he's also changed his position a number of times. that's just the tr

he has solved it the same way. >> game show politics. >> marco rubio and jeb bush did with back taxes and making sure -- what did he say? good people? terrific people? >> did they move on to other issues in the same format? >> marco rubio and george bush "family feud" or whatever the show is. "who wants to be a millionaire." trump's new position stems in contrast to what he said on multiple occasions over the past year. >> can you ask him a question about deportation force. that's what happened on our show in november. ask him the question instead of anderson co anderson. >> are you going to have a massive deportation force? >> you're going to have a deportation force. and you're going to do it humanely and you're going to bring the country and, frankly, you have excellent, wonderful people. people that have been here for a long time. >> people will face ramifications. how are you going to pay for this? >> very expensively? >> are they ripped out of their homes? >> they're coming back from where they came. that's the way it is supposed to be. but they can come back but they have to co

jeb bush, mitt romney was the first shot, i would say. t jeb -- >> jeb was from the right, though. >> exactly right. i do think that's where we are headed in some ways. hillary was interesting in that she is opposed to saying the republican party's been captured by the alt-right movement which some liberals say. she was the opposite which there are regular republicans who are still here, donald trump is a crazy on the fringe. >> i agree with you but what she was saying -- >> all right. i got to pause. i think that's right. she's trying to not color the republican party with this yet. thank you all. we'll be right back. more and more of everything online. and so many businees rely on the united states postal service to get it there. that's why we make more ecmerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the ited states postal service. priorityyou hillary clinton: i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. vo: in times of crisis america depends on steady leadership. donald trump: "knock the crap out of them, would you? seri

or jeb bush's offices would comment. >> we are back with chris collins of new york. first member of congress to endorse donald trump. congressman is the bush family's refusal to endorse donald trump hurting the republican nominee? >> no, month, not at all. i'm glad to hear that george p. said he would support mr. trump. this is about the future of the country. there's never been a more important race, more important election, than what we will see on november 8th. future of the country whether we take america back, make america great again, stand up to our enemies depend on who we elect and it is now a binary choice frankly between donald trump and hillary clinton and she is the secretary ofs of statto we cous would continue on with barack obama. whether you are concerned about the 2nd and 10th amendments, defeating hillary clinton and electing donald trump is so our kids can grow up in the america many of us did, the land of opportunity. i'm glad to hear george p. understand that and say he is going to support. we don't care about the word endorse but support donald

jeb bush wasn't making strong borders. i'm not knocking jeb bush but i was with him for a long time. >> he hasn't changed his position on immigration. he's changed the words that he is saying. what he has always said from the beginning is that he does not -- >> that would be a change. >> no, that he does not want to allow people to stay in this country illegally. he does want to build a wall -- >> it's the how that's being discussed now. he's always said if they're here illegally they have to go. >> -- a deportation force so now he is shifting. there is a definite different message that we're hearing now. >> there's not a different message. he's using different words to give that message -- >> a new report from politico and t"the new york post" has found that stephen bannon was once involved in a domestic violence case with his former wife. according to the report bannon was charged with misdemeanor domestic violence and battery following an incident back in 1996. now in the police report bannon's then-wife claimed he pull

like, you're a voter at home going, "let's see, i like this jeb bush. he's a good governor. ote for him. >> even without trump saying that jeb was making speeches and going, "please clap." >> i don't want to vote for you anymore. >> what was shocking when i saw him run, when jeb bush started showing up, because because for years you heard he's the smart one! >> larry: yeah, yeah. >> it was like, wow! if i had known-- if we had only known that! >> larry: such an unbelievably low bar we set in america. he's the smart one. all right, we'll be right back. ( cheers and appla thanks, dad. i'll pick you up in two hours. keep 'em high. thanks, bro. later, mom. thank you. have fun. thanks, dad. thanks, mr. smith. hurry in for toyota's annual clearance event, where you can find 0% apr financing for 60 months on the 2016 rav4. offer ends september 6th. for more great deals, visit toyota.com toyota. let's go places. captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org ( cheers and applause ) >> all right, thanks to my panelists. rory albanese, and lewis black. thanks for watching. goo

that is my answer, jeb bush. >> craig: governor jeb bush, is he bluffing or is it something. >> i will agree. >> craig: you got that right. that is the secret square. >> trump steaks are the world's greatest steaks and i mean that in the very pwevts word. >> trump steaks. >> that is the prize. >> another prize. let's give another prize. >> you just won the political squares board game. hours of fun for the whole family. >> craig: how do you like that? >> that is much better. >> craig: there you go, a better game play at home. are. you. >> i will take john. >> craig: john. what was edward mur row's advice to you as an aspiring young journalist. [ laughter ] he said forget it. [ laughter ] no, he didn't. he said pay attention. learn everything. learn everything and go easy on journalism because it will come. craigslist sdlaiingz what edward r. murrow told john wilson. >> no, not even close. >> craig: i am you afraid it was and with interesting game. he wasn't bluffing you. so here we have a great opportunity for mayor krisman. to make a comeback. >> craig: to work this out and come with

no pathway to citizenship according to jeb bush. pathway to citizenship according to marco rubio. talking about the need to brush up on the border. if you think about it, that could have been may be one of the gang of eight. the bipartisan group in the senate that pass ad bill that said border security. it talked about a pathway to legalization for the 11 or 12 million to live in this country. the things coming out now could have been written maybe three years ago by the gang of 8 or by jeb bush. >> is that the same donald trump we're going to see tonight? or will we see him revert to the form we knew before today some thank you for your time. >> up next -- looking to donald trump's immigration speech. can he hang on to his base if he softens? you're here to buy a car. what would help is simply being able to recognize a fair price. truecar has pricing data on every make and model, so all you have to do is search for the car you want, there it is. now you're an expert in less than a minute. this is truecar. amazing sleep stays with y

that squares very much with where other republicans in the primary field were, including jeb bush and trump went after them in very loud terms. that's probably where trump got a lot of his support was staking out that hard line position on immigration. >> we're going to talk more after a break. thank you so much for being here, beth. we'll talk more about trump's base strategy, after a quick break. this network of portals will shorten the distance packages have to travel, and save jet shoppers money. unbelievable work! where does that one go? ...happy birthday... whoa, slow down bill. save some for us. (everyone laughs) ...hahahahahahahah. at jet.com, we're always looking for unbelievable money saving innovations. can give you ansadvant. working together likerubiotics with immune support advantage. s unique formula suppos immune health in two ways. with probiotics that work in your gut. and antioxidants that work throughout your body. trubiotics from one a day. this is todd hardy. a fitness buff, youth baseball coach-and lung cancer patient. the day i got the diagnosis, i was just sho

running mate mike pence doing some damage control, reaching out to republicans like john mccain and jeb bush. >>> members of congress will be granted access to notes taken during hillary clinton's three- hour fbi interview. director james comey says she put sensitive information at risk with her private email server, but no criminal charges were ever filed. several republican lawmakers have requested more information.

those are things that jeb bush supported but not donald trump. on those three things that has been abilities no inconsistent message coming from the trump campaign. sure, he said, we're going to work on an e-verify system, secure or borders, maybe then we can think about treating people humanely, but people have to leave the country and then reenter. >> people gave differing accounts about some said there was language he used that sounded like there was a way for people to be here that's legal. a lot of people say that's amnesty. >> buzzfeed hasn't entirely been fair to the trump campaign over the course of the campaign. that said, you have real social issues that have to be addressed if you even talk about deporting 11 million people. there are people who have children that are legal citizens that you can't snap their fingers and have their parents disappear. trump has consistently said we have to start by deporting the people here who are convicted or accused of committing crimes and then go from there. that's not inconsistent, and frankly you

they tried jeb bush. they tried any number of people to convince -- they tried me.hey sent emissaries to the southern command. they tried everybody they can think of to try to convince the republican base to support some form of amnesty for illegal immigrants. i'm sorry. who knew -- i know it frustrates you to hear me. i'm sorry. regain my composure. who knew that it would be donald trump to come on and convert the gop base to supporting amnesty. >> well, there's an attractive performance. paul singer, who is the "they" he's talking about? they went to jeb bush, they went to this candidate, they got to -- who are the "they" he's talking about? this conspiratorial posse of people, who are they? >> we can't focus all our time talking about donald trump's changing of policy issues because remember, donald trump is running as a brand. he's running as a passionate speaker of the truth who says i can fix it, i'm the strong guy, i can fix it. he doesn't worry much about the details of the policy. hasn't all along. and it hasn't bothered his base. now, what limbaugh is argu

we heard of course from jeb bush.ald trump spoke with our own anderson cooper last night, and basically was back to the position he had in the primaries after that interview. as someone who has spent time in campaigns, as someone who has been behind the scenes with candidates, both when they're in search of, you know, vying for office and in office, how do you reconcile these messages to voters, especially 70-some odd days from the election. >> i think that's one of the big concerns for the trump campaign. he was very clear, very emphatic during the primary campaign when he was trying to win the republican nomination about his position on immigration. one of the things that a lot of republican voters gravitated toward was donald trump, they felt, was someone who said what he thought and wouldn't back down. would stand firm. now all of a sudden, we're seeing that he may be changing his position on immigration issue, one of the most emotional issues in the republican primary, and for our country. so i think the trump ca

they gave $1.3 million to the jeb bush super pac. were advised by one of the most prominent republican campaign lawyers in the country, who has a very long history in big-money politics,s, and advisr to george w. bush's campaign, to the republican governors association. he helped set up a massive m mit romney super pac. he set up the jeb bush super pac. he and fact wrote a memo ththats essentntially a roadmapap for hw foreign controlled domestic corporations may give in u.s. federal elections. a, setting all of the e paramets and roles inviting these types of donations. ththis was not an ananomaly. he wrote this memo that we obtained and published with the story in februruary 2015. the donation from the american pacific international capital company -- the company controlled by two chinese foreign nationals -- - dividedd their $1.3 million donation to monthb bush super pac one later. amy: explain who this couple is. chen,don tong and serena chinese nationals. they amassed their wealth living in southern china. they had in import/expo

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jeb bush wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't making strong borders. i'm not knocking jeb bush, but i was with him for a long time. >> but he was mocked for saying that, look, you can't deport 11 million people. it now seems like -- i know you're not focusing on -- >> first i want to see what's going to happen. we're going to deport many people, many, many people. >> the vast majority of those are not criminals. >> we don't know that. we're going to find out who they are. we have crime all over this country. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization? i'm talking about citizenship. >> no, there's no path to legalization. >> you talk about paying taxes on hannity. >> unless people leave the country -- well, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> so they still have to leave the country. >> there is no path to legalization until thless they the country and come back. >> that means of the 11 million who are here, even if they haven't committed a crime. >> you keep saying 11 million. you don't know

person on this stage, by far, on illegal immigration is jeb bush. they come out of an act of love. whether you like it or not. he is so weak. on illegal immigration, it's laughable. >> trump's flip-flop ignited a firestorm of conservative criticism, including from one of his strongest supporters, ann coulter, whose new book is entitled "in trump we trust," colter tweeted sarcastically, it's not amnesty, it's comprehensive immigration reform. conservative radio host, mark levin tweeted out, trump just adopted jeb bush's gang of eight position. charlie spice agreed, tweeting, with a path to legalization, looks like trump finally red jeb bush's book. this equals his plan. and by the way, another one, ohio governor, john kasich, john weaver, wrote, who needs a policy shop when they can just flip and take john kasich's position? nbc's katy tur joins us live now from trump tower where that meeting with minority leaders is happening right now. so you have trump in that meeting outside of the meeting, his conservative followers, at least some of them, who h

you're not going to see that in a donald trump plan. >> you thought jeb bush's plan provided an easy path? >> an easier plan to legalization. i think the gang of eight was an easier plan to legalization. an easier plan to citizenship. you're not going to have a pathway to citizenship with donald trump. that's off the table. >> but tim, donald trump said he would have legal status available to these -- some of these people, anyway. and when they say that jeb bush's plan was an easy plan, they have nothing to contrast, because we don't know donald trump's plan. >> yeah, there are no details. you know, i think reince is stuck in a tough situation there, to say the least. what this has done, tamron, is exposed the bill lie behind donald trump's campaign, claiming he was the straight shooter, saying the hard truths. but what we were saying in the jeb campaign, that's not true. he was telling people what they wanted to hear. you know, he wasn't the one that was uttering hard truths, he was trying to mirror the views of the republican primary electorate. but the problem is, the candidates t

you say ironically, that's jeb bush's position. >> that was jeb bush's 2016, and jeb bush was for a path to citizenship and you could no longer sell that and the american people would be ready for it and you'd get rid of the criminals which donald trump also said tonight and you throw the bad ones out and jeb bush's position in the 2016 primaries are you have a path to legal status and people pay back taxes and some kind of a penalty and the good ones, those who are law-abiding, get to say. >> he said jeb bush's position on the field said people come as an act of love and they come to be with the families and it was the tone as much as what trump was mocking and now he's essentially taking the bush position and a bush spokeswoman saying they're not surprised that governor bush predicted months ago, donald trump once he got to a general election if he did would have to flip-flop. >> there is donald trump taking the stage in mississippi. it is incredible because there were republicans on that stage during the primary races who were saying this is not -- you can't -- you can't kick out 11 m

and that's a huge number. >> that's jeb bush's policy. >> i don't know anything about jeb bush. he wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't making strong boards and i'm not knocking jeb bush, but i was with him for a long time. >> but he was mocked for saying that, look, you can't deport 11 million people and it now seems like, i know you're not really focusing -- >> first, i want to see what's going to happen. we are going to deport many people, many, many people. >> the vast majority are not criminals. >> we will find out who they are. we have crime all over this country. >> if they haven't committed a crime, will there be a path to legalization? >> no. there is no pass -- there is no path to legalization. >> unless people leave the country -- well, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> so they still have to leave the country? >> there is no path to legalization, unless they leave the country and come back. >> so that means of the 11 million who are here even if they haven't committed a crime. >> you keep saying 11 million. you don't

if jeb bush heard you say that george w. bush's policy is like donald trump's, i think he would be under the covers. >> dana, i talked to the bush campaign at the time. the fact is this. jeb bush made a mistake because actually what trump is saying on the bottom line is that you're going to have to follow the law. once you follow the law to the t, there is a chance here if you meet certain specifications. i think that strikes a very reasonable chord. let's start looking at the policies and stop looking at all the heat. >> i just want to many could back to the fact nothing has changed. donald trump over a year ago said build a wall, deport 11 million people. that's his position today. it has not changed. >> yes. >> it has not changed. >> i agree with bill. >> okay. we have trump next wednesday on immigration. let's recreate this then. stay with me. you are a fascinating panel. i have more for you. hang tight. >>> coming up -- listen to this. >> what the hell do you have to lose? give me a chance. >> so we've heard that a coupl