how has the republican in florida change since jeb bush was governor? guest: i advised jeb bush. a great leader. i remember when jeb first came into office. and they started talking about how ultraconservative he was. how out of step he was with the mainstream preheated things, radical things like mandating that there be some kind of measurement in our schools that our children could measure up to so that they could be motivated to be their very best. that was considered heresy. he got a lot of criticism and a lot of pressure for doing that. it turns out he was right. the people in florida now and across the country support his point of view. radical became mainstream. he showed the kind of courage and character that i think we look for in public leadership. in terms of the republican party, it is a different party today. and jeb and the bush family certainly have shown that they have had difficulty understanding the consistency of being a conservative versus some of the things that are happening within the party itself. host: did he before or will he endorse ron desantis? guest:

most forces it was still powerful among republicans however what was going on when trump attacked jeb bushhere is also much more also ending the bush era and turning a page on the bush era. >> those that clearly were ending it for the rising two-term presidency from barack obama. and then domestically between jeb bush and hillary clinton through the dynasty. so trump is to say it is over and there is disappointment there is a huge discontent which of course jeb bush prior to his run and the economic legacy of the bush presidency with the global financial crisis also on the back of voters heads so the important moment is not the trump victory it ran off 45 percent of the total votes in 2016 have you lost the general election the anti- trump ioforces were in a very good position in that debate that goes on between populism and conservativism to be more evenly matched but winning that on kind of a fluke. and then in the electoral college victory. once you become president the most famous president in the role the most important person in the world but definitely the most important person in y

he also gave $500 to jeb bush's campaign in 2016. know, if you dig deeper on jun reinhart, though, you find out interesting connections in his background. >> jeffrey epstein number one. defended people in that case. two, he did donate to jeb bush's presidential campaign in particular. that situation. the other thing to keep in mind, too, is when you look at this whole investigation on what went on there, the whole thing with secrecy. the judge has a warrant -- signs a warrant and says go in. we know how it works. no other side to say excuse me, i don't think there is a lot of there there. a judge counting on the f.b.i. not to waste his time. even though it happened with the russian investigation and carter page. they lied, got their warrant, went to town. destroyed people's lives and put people in jail and curtailed or ham strung the presidency for the last 18 months. they go in there. we just don't know the answers. what were you looking for? was it archives? were you on a fishing expedition to bolster the department of justice case

jeb bush and hillary clinton so another styon of the bush dynasty. and you can't get more establishment than hillary clinton on the left, right? so trump, there is kind of he's basically saying it bushes over because it there is disappointment and in iraq war there is still a huge discontent and opposition to comprehensive immigration reform which of course jeb bush had written a book about when it prior to his run. and the economic legacy of the bush presidency which ended with the global financial crisis and the great recession the also in the back of voters heads republican primary voters heads. so i think that played a part i've say that we the important moment is not trump's victory in the republican primary. donald trump won about 45% of the total vote in the republican primaries and caucuses in 2016. had he lost the general election. i think the anti-trump forces would still have had a be in a very good position and that debate which is a debate that goes on between populism and conservatism for 100 years as i outlined in my book would be more

jeb bush and hillary clinton. er zion of the bush dynasty and you can't get more establishment than hillary clinton on the left. so he's basically saying bush is over because there was disappointment in the iraq war and they are still huge discontent and opposition to the comprehension -- copper is the immigration reform which judge -- jeb bush had written a book about and the economic legacy of the bush presidency which ended with the global financial crisis and the great recession and that's in the back of voterspu heads. i think that plays a part. i would also say the important moment isri not trump victory in the republican primary. donald trump 145% of the total vote in the republican primary of 2016. had he lost the general election i think the anti-trump forces would still have had a very good position in that debate which is a debate that goes on between populism's four years is the outline in my book would be unmatched. the decisive moment was when trump went and winning it on a fluke. 30,000 votes i think

he did give 500 to jeb bush for his presidential campaign. his clients received immunity. senator marco rubio was on with sean last night and talked about this. >> i actually don't think they went in looking for documents. i think that was probably their excuse that they found some obama judge it ruse. they found some obama judge not even a judge a magistrate to write and give them the search warrant. i think they went in to look to see whatever they could find. argue. is we were here looking for documents we didn't find those but look at what we did find. who knows what they found when they went in there because the lawyers weren't allowed to see it these people are obsessed. the far left will stop at nothing. people don't understand this is playbook from all over the world. the far left believes that their cause is so worthy that nobody against it must be evil must be a criminal and must be punished and put away. >> brian: tell everyone what you were doing. is it really for the national archives? is that what the -- is that what the pressro

political system in both parties susan: he beat jeb bush, a member of a famous political dynasty, for the republican primaries in 2016. he beat hillary clinton, a member of the most powerful family in democratic politics in that election. now he's defeated liz cheney, the daughter -- political royalty in the republican party. donald trump has reshaped our politics in such fundamental and far-reaching ways we will be dealing with this for some time. >> to add with liz cheney, she is going to be creating a leadership pac where the stated goal, the one goes to make sure donald trump does not get into the oval office now that she will not have a job in january she will have enough -- a lot more time to give money to like-minded candidates in 20. yamiche: so much, and certainly someone to keep watching, liz cheney. we have to say that meanwhile, president biden took a victory lap as he signed the inflation reduction act. he also said despite this and other recent legislativewins, we should note the democrats, our main concern is about his low approval rating. how concerned are biden and de

in 2016, reinhardt donated 500 to the presidential campaign of jeb bush who unsuccessfully sought the republican nomination that was eventually one by former president trump. the fbi reportedly removed around one dozen boxes from mar-a-lago monday and the rate has been met with fear from the former president -- a theory from the former president's allies. it says in the newsweek piece that this judge, this is from home beach county state attorney dave ehrenberg, a democrat, who worked for the republican florida attorney general, he told politico tuesday that reinhardt is known for being meticulous, he will not make the stamp judgments. robert, democratic caller, and massachusetts, good morning. caller: i am from western and i know you cannot pronounce my name. [laughter] here is the story here. remember when donald trump became president and the doctor said he was a stable genius and the naval dr. said he was healthy as everything could be? we need to take donald trump down to the naval base to have him checked out. donald trump as a mental illness which everybody is not talking about

and, you know, they published it as like, you know, jeb bush is going to be pushing the big gay agendaof tim miller as the communications director and then jeb starts getting all these calls from the christian conservative types. and i hadn't even i only met him one time when this happened. like, i just got hired. it was the first day. and so we had this really awkward conversation and it was one of those where i was like, jeff, i, you know, i'm going to do it. and it takes two to help you in any. and he said, i get, i get it. and you know that i don't. and i just interrupted him. i was like, i know we're good. and he said, all i need from you is i need for you this to do one thing. and i was like, okay, what is it? he goes, call ralph reed. okay, i'll call ralph reed. and so, you know, anyway, the point being like looking back on that, it's like if the most important things in my life are in the back there, my husband and my child and i was willing to work for people that wanted to bind into law, denying me that now all of a sudden i don't know if empathy is the right word, but unders

she's interviewed by jeb bush, former governor of florida. "after words" is a weekly program with relevant guest hosts interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. >> it is such a joy to be with you. congratulations on the book. let's start with the title of the book. how did you come up with the book title hostages no more?th >> it's great to be with you as well. thanks for doing this and the title is a provocative one and it's meant to be. it's a direct reference to horace mann considered the father of the education system. i think the last two years have really given to families acrosse country a front row seat into how many ways their children really have been held hostage to a system that for too many of them is not working. this is what we do to fix american education and that is the subtitle about education freedomou. to tell us about growing up in holland, about your family. were you inspired by a mentor or teachers that got you on your life's journey? >> both my parents are children of immigrant families from the neth

. >> fast-forward, you wind up, you tell the story in the book of the day after the election, jeb bush called you -- >> in 2016, he emailed me. i got an email from jeb the morning after election day in 2016. >> you had worked with him before. >> i was on his board. we had worked together closely for many years. he was such a champion for education freedom in florida as governor that my admiration for his courageousness early on in those kinds of policies was very, very high. anyway. the email was very simple, one line. would you ever consider being secretary of education? literally, i have never, ever thought about that. woah. >> sorry. >> i was on my way earlier in the morning, the story is in the book. i was on my way to indianapolis to have a daylong of meetings with legislators and school reformers there, i said to my colleague, look at this. this is really funny. it was later in the day after ahead -- after i had a chance to talk with nick -- dick, i said i was going to respond. he said, yep, that would be the response. i sent back and said, i never thought about it, but if i had

the republican establishment was that the almost certain winner, certain nominee, was going to be jeb bush. and donald trump campaigned vehemently denouncing the entire bush/cheney view that we should be at war, that all money should go to regime change all over the world. he denounced that militaristic vision as something that destroys peace in the world and benefits only a tiny sliver of the american population, weapons manufacturers and the like, and donald trump won. and so what he basically did was expel bush/cheney ideology from the republican party by denouncing them, and all this is, the reason dick and liz cheney hate donald trump, the bush family as well, because it's petty dynastic vengeance, angry that trump positioned himself as an adversary of their defining world view, dynasty and legacy, and won the republican primary by doing that. >> will: at one point the adversary of neoconservatism aligns themselves with the banners of neoconservatism in order to oppose donald trump because he was aopposed to neoconservatism. really, really principled. glenn greenwald, thank you for jo

how has the republican in florida change since jeb bush was governor? guest: i advised jeb bush. eat leader. i remember when jeb first came into office. and they started talking about how ultraconservative he was. how out of step he was with the mainstream preheated things, radical things like mandating that there be some kind of measurement in our schools that our children could measure up to so that they could be motivated to be their very best. that was considered heresy. he got a lot of criticism and a lot of pressure for doing that. it turns out he was right. the people in florida now and across the country support his point of view. radical became mainstream. he showed the kind of courage and character that i think we look for in public leadership. in terms of the republican party, it is a different party today. and jeb and the bush family certainly have shown that they have had difficulty understanding the consistency of being a conservative versus some of the things that are happening within the party itself. host: did he before or will he endorse ron desantis? guest: that

. $1000 to obama's presidential campaign and a grand to the victory fund and $500 to jeb bush's presidential campaign, where he was defeated by one donald j. trump. >> carley: so many media leaks proved to be inaccurate, one that merrick garland had nothing to do on with the decision and the next day merrick garland said he was the decider on this. also reporting from the "wall street journal" it took him several weeks to decide whether or not to approve this raid. begs question if the documents were in danger, why did he take so long to approve the decision and reporting the doj was interested in documents related to nuclear weapons and today newsweek is citing two high-level u.s. intelligence officials who say the raid on mar-a-lago was intended to recover donald trump's personal stash of hidden documents. they are saying they went in under pretext of presidential records, but were interested in this other section of documents the doj was worried trump could use in the future as a weapon against them. >> todd: do we get this affidavit today? it is important, in a normal case, you would not

look, look who took on trump last time, jeb bush, scott mcconnell or -- sorry, scott walker from wisconsin. there were a lot of big names that went up against him and trump prevailed. i don't know that trump will be the nominee. i think desantis is certainly a strong consideration too, but i guess what's just interesting here is the hubrus. there's a weariness about her like she deserves this. she was in and out of jackson hole, which is the fancy part of the state. the whole thing just reeks of entitlement. kennedy: yep, that's exactly it and oftentimes the half-baked spawn of dynasties, they do feel entitled to something because they've been given so much and they do so little with it. all right. jeff, panel, thank you all so much. coming up, it is game night here on the ss kennedy. i'll have a good one. coming up, head of the c dc now admitting they screwed up the entire governor spawn creating a huge overhaul. that'll do it. all the draconian policies. kate and jeff are next. millions have made the switch from the big three to xfinity mobile. that means millions are saving hundreds a y

was going to be the candidate, june 15, 2015, there was an article that said five reasons jeb bush isof june so i think a lot of people are out there dipping their toes in the water trying to get a sense to see if they will get any support. anything and everything could happen at has happened, we've seen it before and will likely see it again. i do think there is an opportunity for someone to come up from the ranks and show an alternative view of what the republican party we could look like. i click this to be someone somewhat unknown and unexpected. most of the candidates have a lot of baggage around them and will not get the supporters donald trump and others to move to your side, it will be difficult so there are candidates who do have too much baggage but we will see. neil: donald trump had success getting his candidates in and candidates he dislikes out, liz cheney the latest victim. i am wondering does that mean it is donald trump's party to lose, forget if he is the presidential nominee again, this is the heart and soul of the party? >> that is a fair question. right now he see

the voters also made quick work of jeb bush, george conway gobbling up cobbler.it's got more interesting, it's gotten more fun, more unpredictable. the way a fox news party does when kat shows up with a bottle of tequila and two friends she met on grindr. the republican party is no longer a bunch of millionaires getting rich off their families playing risk with other people's lives. today we see more keen on preserving the lives of those who pledged to defend this country. young americans shouldn't need five deferments to avoid fighting a useless war in another country. so maybe liz's loss is a win for those who don't fit that bill, and that's not just donald trump. it might be you too. guess you could say we dodged a bullet. [scattered applause] let's welcome tonight's guests! she is so perky she could brew coffee without a pot, emily compagno! and nothing can stop him except a really strong magnet, retired marine corps bomb tech, johnny joey jones! [scattered applause] he knows how to draw a crowd on paper with cranberry writer and comedian joe devito! and she

made donations to former president barack obama's successful campaign and former florida governor jeb bush ran a failed 2016 presidential bid to before becoming at it, he represented employees of the late convicted pedophile, jeffrey epstein in connection with a sex trafficking investigation to once more, attorneys for the former president say they were not allowed in the room as fbi agents made at mar-a-lago. pleasant. >> i can tell you that he was not only working with them, he was cooperating, there was nothing to hide, and he was working in tandem, allow them into mar-a-lago at the point is they went in when he wasn't even there in the dollars attorneys to leave. they couldn't even be on premises. >> we've also learned that some materials the fbi reportedly confiscated included letters from kim jong un, and former president obama. a birthday dinner menu and a cocktail napkin. "new york post" columnist miranda devine report's agent even searched through trump's wardrobe. despite award. >> as someone who is in the world that they brought has said that it only -- it confined itself to pre

and politics, and tim miller, a contributor to the bulwark, and former communications director for jeb bush. he is also the author of the new book, why we did it. good to see you both. aaron, the numbers don't lie. the issue motivating voters of all kinds. what do you see? >> well, look. first of all, alicia, let me point out tomorrow is the anniversary of the 19th amendment, which my paper is named for. that was when american women got the right to vote, and they had long fought for it. it is good that we are talking about these statistics on voter registration among women really surging. particularly in states where abortion rights under threat, particularly in, kansas city pointed out, pennsylvania, ohio, florida, north carolina, alabama, but it's really not just about abortion, but also, issues like voting rights, climate change, the economy, and education, all issues, by the way, that are women's issues, and more than that, our kitchen table issues that women care about, and should talk to them about, as voters, in terms of what their priorities are, heading into november. alicia, i do

you could say rand paul is different from ted cruz and jeb bush. they were in these lines and trump is over here. what if you have desantis and liz cheney is the different voice? >> i don't think coalescing around one singular anti-trump is probably enough, but you make my point. it's going to be a lot of trumping dhads are splitting that vote. he's not going to be singular. there's no doubt about that. he's still proving to be the most popular and the most dominant now. in a winner-take-all system, that means he takes the delegates. >> i think that's right. it looks like maybe it'll be a crowded field. you talk about people like ron desantis, maybe mike pence, of course, might run. but still the dominant flavor, the person who inspires the most emotional connection among voters in the republican party is hands down donald trump. maybe it'll take a hit over the next many months in the lead up to 2024. for now, it's the reality. >> he's strong today. not as strong as he once was. we'll see how it plays out. a lot to unpack. >>> next for us, live to

if the party was the chamber of commerce jeb bush economic policy party, that's who then that's ron desantis would be. but to reflect jason's point he's reflecting the ethos of today's republican party. alicia, it's hard to watch sometimes, and i say that about people i know well. when you watch some of desantis 's rallies, the chairs around the culture wars, the attacks on immigrants, the attacks on the lgbtq community, that is political currency that ron desantis is using, but it's a reflection of our culture as well. that is a hard thing to watch, but it is what ron desantis is prevailing in the state of florida, and if he's successful actually he'll do it across the country. >> we only have about 30 seconds left but i think it's worth noting that the lieutenant governor in florida is mimicking some of the talking points and policies that we've seen from governor greg abbott in texas saying that she wants to bus migrants to delaware. what does it say to you that they are now copycatting each other and most extreme rhetoric? >> we have seen it's really hard to be black in texas through geo

rinehart in south florida, he was a private attorney and he donated both to barack obama and also jeb bush. this was before he took to the bench in 2018. now, while the trump team has the warrant and inventory sheet, it does not include the probable cause for actually going into mar-a-lago. but there would be some detailings. trump's team says they don't plan to release a copy of the warrant as of now. judge rinehart is giving the justice department until monday to decide if they will be okay with unsealing this for the public to see. there are so many questions that the public wants to see. now, bret, i want to show you. this is a copy of a search warrant right here. this is a blank one. but this gives you an idea of what if looks like. this is the inventory of the property taken and the name of any object seized. this is what would have been used monday at mar-a-lago. of course, it would have the information on it also, bret, in 201, there was a law to stiffen the penalty for anybody that mishandled classified information. and it was signed into law as part of a national security measure

she's interviewed by jeb bush, former governor of florida."after words" is a weekly program with relevant guest hosts interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. >> it is such a joy to be with you. congratulations on the book. let's start with the title of the book. how did you come up with the book title hostages no more?th >> it's great to be with you as well. thanks for doing this and the title is a provocative one and it's meant to be. it's a direct reference to horace mann considered the father of the education

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think back to june 15 of 2015, an article in "the washington post" that said why jeb bush will be the next president of the united states. at this point there's no way of knowing. we have to accept that. we're going to see a lot of popularity among people, but there's still opportunities for a dark horse like trump did, came late in the game in 2015. a long way to go. this will give trump some energy. i think it's going to give him a bounce. let's see what they find and let's see what happens long-term. >> neil: these polls are showing that democrats might be secure ago lock on keeping if not building off that 50/50 lead in the senate. could be a variety of factors including candidates that have not yet been able to get much traction. does that surprise you as well as the other polls show that there's unnamed individuals. the democrats now have a four-point lead for the house. >> yeah, i think that it wouldn't be surprising to see this happen. the problem that the republicans have right now is they don't have a message except they're against what the current administration is doing. t

also a former donor to former republican governor and son and brother of a republican president, jeb bush. and andrew kaczynski reported that the judge is a former regular guest on that liberal cable channel, news lacks. sitting in for tucker carlson was, even aired this doctored image of the judge getting a foot massage from convicted sex trafficker ghislaine maxwell. he clearly said it had been done in jest. it was not, that was a false statement. the judge, by the way, has faced an onslaught of antisemitic attacks and threats online, some of which targeted the synagogue he belongs to. never take the gop seriously again on the subjects of law enforcement or antisemitism. still, the lies and evasions kept coming all week long. why did they just not subpoena the documents? why send the fbi? they did subpoena trump for the documents several months ago, and did not get everything back that they had asked for. at one point, trump and his company had been telling so many lies that they started to blatantly and hilariously contradict each other. the documents were planted, they said. but then

longtime republican strategist mike murphy who is advised republican candidates including john mccain, jeb bushhost of must listen. thank you for joining me. whose fault is all of this? mitch mcconnell is bemoaning the quiet candidate quality. is it his fault, is it fox news, is that donald trump? how is it? how did we get here? >> one, congrats on the show, alex. great to see you. two, if you have to blame somebody, start with the crazy that spoken up the republican primary, and i think has been whipped into a problem for republicans by none other than donald j trump. if -- generically, this is supposed to be a great election for republicans. off year, presidents got weak numbers, inflation. but then the circus came to town in the senate races. so what should be a negative referendum on the president, from the republican point of view, is becoming a, who are these clowns discussion of someone -- like oz is on life support on pennsylvania, a lot of the others can't raise any money. the party is running out of money so they are getting beat on television which is critical. so it's almost a perfe

here on peacock and tim miller, contributor to the bulwark and former contribute contributor to jeb bushthe book why we did it. you wrote that this week should be dominated by positive white house deadlines headlines because of all these legislative winds. is it getting overshadowed by the trump headlines even those of those are bad for trump? biden is not getting headlines? >> you know stephanie i think the white house is doing everything they can to push through. he signed the chips act this week, he did a whole thing on the south lawn. and after it was starting, none of the networks covered it, it wasn't on television, once the president started speaking, but you heard very little mention of it leading up to it. the semiconductors, everything from the cars to the toasters, they all need chips, the cell phones, the laptops. so a very big deal but you're not hearing about it necessarily on the front pages if you will when you turn on the television because so many things have been happening. so the white house had to get creative. it's not just on them though. democrats across the board

who was asking john podesta who ran hillary clinton's campaign hey, what questions should i ask jeb bush, go to the opposing campaign, to get a gotcha game. forget john harwood. what everybody else is telling you. we know about the economy and it is rancid, elizabeth. elizabeth: you're a terrific writer. read joe concha's stuff. come back soon. >> you're a great host. elizabeth: thank you. blow by blow in washington's knock-down battle over the pack act, funding veterans for u.s. veterans. we'll break it down with congressman pat full lon next on "the evening edit". ♪ if you shop at walmart, you get it. ♪ you know how to spend a little less to get a little more to make life a little better. ♪ new projects means new project managers. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job, you immediately get your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today. [acoustic soul music throughout] [acoustic soul music throughout] whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. [acoustic soul music t

this time he's like a little maga jeb bush. he's got a lot of baggage he's got to drag around. most significant and this is what i was talking about in my book. he's not that entertaining 234 anymore. in 2016 you couldn't help but watch donald trump as he simulated attempted murder on stage in fort dodge, iowa. that was hard not to watch. now i think we've seen most of the inventory. >> he's now the boring guy at the bar, he doesn't drink allegedly, but who seems drunk and just keeps talking about the same stuff over and over again and no one wants to listen to it. >> i think there are a lot of republicans that didn't like the search warrant at mar-a-lago, don't like when people pick on trump, don't like that stuff, but also don't want him to run again because they know that he is -- that the country if faced with a biden versus trump again, that they might make -- that they would more likely make the same decision again and trump is a liability. he's -- the trumps are turning into the clintons for the democratic party. they can't shake them and there's enough of a core constit

search joining me, now tim miller, -- jeb bush 2060. right here with the msnbc political analyst, by the way this is his. book and it is. great why we, did it -- from hell. tim, welcome, a very long list. and how you interpret trump's numbers? >> it seems like we are still on the, road have, alex? i interpret it as, the republican party's problem since 2015 has really been this bottom-up problem. voters are demanding politicians that channel their grievances, they resentments their anger. and donald trump does that better than anybody else. so if they are angry at political elites, they are angry the democrats. and they, see obviously this is. bogus but if they are made to believe by conservative media that this is part of some plot by the elites to get donald trump, it should not be surprising that some of them were maybe looking at rhonda santas, maybe ready to move. on they might say no i want to stand by my man, to give him the little finger to the people that were to get. him and i think that is what we are seeing at least in the s

they were running againstst jeb bush maybe they would have done it anyway. it's only going to take one judge in one state to knock us off the ballot and maybe not just her but theke whole democratic ticket off the ballot >> why would trump make citizenship initiative? >> that's one of the most revealing aspects of this. joe biden knows as well as almost anyone how pernicious birtherism is and what a force that was a hand in this moment he decides it's not that we are saying he would have chosen tammy duckworth if it were not for this but i think titan felt strongly by the time he made the decision that he wanted to choose a woman for the ticket and never reasons why those who contest in politics the way that kamala harris had and others hadn't. taking tammy duckworth out of consideration because of her past do we think is bogus and profoundly offensive and we are just going to practice those policies again is another case study in letting the adversary when preemptively because you don't want to lose later l on. and also i would just add a lot of people inen

i wouldn't vote for me the jeb bush for john mccain certainly. but they're going to vote for donald trump because he truly is a political outsider who comes pre-verified as a job creator making these promises and is showing up in your community.why is it i say, there's something else trump was doing. when he went campaign and every milk and cranny he would give local entities, they were already in their media paralysis how long is it going to take you to say fake news, he was in the back winning interviews the local print radio and tv reporters meaning if you aulive in the community, if you were in collin county michigan you're going to haveinterviews with him to get you through the week . so i think they missed that and what i noticed was he was willing to take his message directly to the people and the people were showing up so he really transformed the way political campaigning have. it definitely got cut off in 20/20 because that course prevented him from doing a lot of that encampaign but when i said the undercover hidden trump voter is notp

this time, i've said that he's a little bit like a maga jeb bush.ho he's endorsed. he has all this inventory that he's got to move. so, he doesn't have the kind of flexibility. the other thing, and i think it's most significant, this is, you know, what i was talking about in my book, he's not that entertaining anymore. in 2016, he was fascinating, right? you couldn't help but watch donald trump as he simulated attempted murder onstage in fort dodge, iowa. that was hard to not watch. now i think we've seen most of the inventory, so i think he will function as a different kind of person. >> he's now the boring guy at the bar who doesn't drink, but he seems drunk and just keeps talking about the same stuff over and over again. no one wants to listen to it. >> i think there are a lot of republicans who don't like, didn't like the search warrant at mar-a-lago, don't like when people pick on trump, don't like that stuff, but we also don't want him to run again because they know that the country, if faced with the biden versus trump again, that they would

trouble with what and of course trump would make it an issue if they were running against you know jeb bushmaybe they would have gone ahead with it. anyway, because jeff but they're rationale was it's only going to take one judge in one state to knock us off the ballot. maybe not just knock her off the ballot but knock the whole democratic ticket off the ballot in the state that we can't afford to lose and to me. so what made them think that trump would make citizenship an issue. i know it just it's kind of can't come but to me that's that is one of the most revealing aspects of this right? is that a joe biden knows as well as almost anyone a how pernicious a birtherism is what a force it was in trump's rise and in this moment he decides, you know, i don't it's not that we're saying he would have chosen tammy duckworth. if not for this. i think that he and his advisors. i felt strongly by the time he was coming up on his decision that he really needed to choose a black woman for the ticket and that and that there were reasons why it made sense to choose somebody who had been road tested in

they want to voted for mitt romney or maybe jeb bush or maybe even ted cruz or john mccain. certainly. they're going to vote for they're going to vote for donald trump because he truly is the political outsider who comes pre-verified as a job creator and businessman who's making these promises and is showing up in your community. why did i say? well, i noticed something else trump was doing that when he would campaigned on it in every nook and cranny in this country. he would give local interviews the national media missed it. they were already in their media chorale saying how long is it going to take him to say fake news and make fun of me me, right? he was in the back giving interviews to local print radio and tv reporters meaning if you lived in that community if you were in waukesha, wisconsin if you're in macomb county, michigan, you're gonna have interviews with him to get you through the week. so so i think they miss that. and what i noticed was he was willing to take his message directly to the people and the people were showing up. so he really transformed the way

question to nicole, money matters but remember in 2016 donald trump didn't raise a lot of money, jeb bushad to victory and he actually is the real elephant in the room beyond ron desantis and one reason democrats are optimistic in '22 because he's more on the ballot on -- than one would have expected and normally in a midterm it's a referendum on the incumbent president. trump is injecting himself into that and so as a result democrats are hopeful they can have some victories just like they did in the georgia midterms when trump meddled in those after the presidential race. griff: well, you raised a good point, al, you know, donald trump is not just the elephant in the room. at the current moment he seems to be the kings of the lions, kings of the jungle. of the ten house republicans who voted to impeach in the second impeachment trial, to impeach donald trump, only two have survived four retired and four got slacked. do you believe, noel, that donald trump controls at this moment the heart and pulse of the republican party? >> well, you made a good point and you also gave us a great visu