. >> with me in the studio is economist jed kolko with the public policy institute of california. i'm looking at those numbers, the recession was over but it doesn't feel like it. >> technically searches did endt means the economy started growing again. the economy starts growing people don't hire right away. businesses may increase their output but they'll use workers and machinery they already have. the hiring happens when they are sure there will be enough growth in the economy to warrant hiring new workers. so unemployment will continue to rise. >> that is not encouraging. >> so it has weakened until the end of last year and it has fallen since then. we're at the unemployment employment is growing faster than in the labor force that is when the unemployment rate finally falls. >> this recession and compare to what you see it historically this? >> has been much worse and the recovery much slower than recent recessions in california. when we think about the previous downturns like the dot com burst those were more about a specific region of california. this was widespread, it wa