jef jef, you did confirm there are two exploeshz sions. i'm sure it was absolute panic. >> very short. it was like in the minutes. >> within the minutes. >> so, one exploded and soon after, the other one. and i had the impression that the second one was more powerful than the it first one. >> the second one was more powerful, did you say, than the first one? >> yeah, that's what i think, yeah. >> and was it in the same area? >> yes, it was coming from the same area. >> coming from the same area. now, if you ur were in the fronts of this check-in area, if you urin the ur were in the front, was the explosion close enough where you were involved with the debris coming down or it was further area? left side and it was two floors down, i think. it was -- because they were coming from the train station up and that's why we were effected boo ithat but i think it was two floors lower, i think. i think. but i haven't seen it. it seems to be okay. >> and jef, you sound relatively calm talking about this experience. how were other people reacting to this? you must be standing around a few other people? is there panic? revolve? what is the mood of the people? >> people are looking like how a lot of people panic and afraid. other people are running away as fast as they can from the scene. >> i'm sure it's a very frightening scene. we're seeing pictures of everybody in the parking lot and the tarmac. so, i'm sure this is slightly calmer than it was when this happened and we know it happened shortly after 8:00. how much time had you spent in the airport before this explosion. happened? had you just arrived yourself? >> i just arrived. i parked my car and went straight to the check in area and then it happened. >> but you mentioned that you were on a second floor. at the brussels airport, if you're on the second flor, or, are you above a parking area? >> if i'm not mistaken, the train station is two or three floors below where i was. i was at l