jeff bazo's taking over the washington post, for example. he understands distribution, how to get books out right away. the post knows newspapers. >> this is the future economy. ordering stuff over the web and getting it shipped. >> the largest employer in america, john, 40s, general motors, ford was number two. now it's walmart and amazon.com and mcdonalds. look at those guys. they're good jobs for kids coming out of school but you have grown people, retired people and others. it's turned into a service economy and the grade industrial productive nation exported its factories to china. >> walmart -- >> do they come and go, according to sales? >> they come and go. >> walmart would refute what you just said, in particular. there are many jobs in their structure and those can be good paying jobs but there's a conflict going on in the district of columbia, where the local council wants them to pay a living wage, not a minimum wage, and walmart is saying if they're made to do that, they're not going to come in at all. so the mayor is faced with