joining us now is jeff berman, the aforementioned, he's the author of the new book "the magic number" about the fight in which i think he reveals all his wizard-like tricks. jeff, thank you for being with us here tonight. >> hi, ezra, very good to be with you. >> this santorum campaign just hired a delegate director. at this point in '08 you had your job for a year. have they lost too much time? >> definitely it's a late time to be hiring a delegate director, but never too late so the question now is can they move fast enough and smart enough to make up for a lot of the lost ground. >> the odd thing about winning delegates, you bring it up in the book a little bit even once you win them or think you win them they're not necessarily yours, they can change their minds. that happened late in the '08 race, clinton was pursuing it after the mathematical path was impossible the hope was something would seem obama unelectable and delegates could leave them. can there be a late term switch in delegates if they see mitt romney as not enough strong enough candidate or something comes out about