. >> you might look at jeff bezos or mark zuckerberg, these people are obsessed with, at the beginning, the products they want to build. and then, their company. i think the very successful are great about building teams around them. microsoft had a very stable management team. the same has been true at apple. >> you are well known for your time chronicling the early days of apple and you spent time with jobs. you are in favor with him, you were out of favor with him, i wonder what you learned by watching steve so closely. what makes a good leader question mark -- what makes a he's always >> thinking about the last thing and that is a distinctive hallmark of a truly great leader. the great is never great enough. >> there are a lot of qualities about steve that are so controversial. is the jobs model of that one? >> i'm a huge admirer of steve. sit very easy for people to -- i am no psychiatrist but i don't think any of us really understand the emotional consequences of being put up for adoption and how that affects your life afterwards. what people don't understand about steve, and i'm

sir michael: you might look at jeff bezos, or larry page, or mark zuckerberg.hese people are obsessed with, at the beginning, the products that they want to build, and then their company. and i think the very successful people are great at building teams around them. microsoft, for example, in its heyday, had a very stable management team. the same has been true at apple. emily: you are so well known for your time chronicling the early days of apple. you spent time with jobs. you were in favor with him, you were out of favor with him. i wonder what you learned by watching steve so closely about what makes a good leader and what makes a bad leader? sir michael: for steve, the product was never good enough, whether it was a computer or a phone or a tablet. he was always thinking about the next thing. i think that is the distinctive hallmark of a truly great leader. is that great is never great enough. emily: there were a lot of qualities about steve that, you know, are so controversial. is the jobs model a good one? sir michael: i am a huge admirer. was a huge ad

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