>> jeff campbell, independent advisor. it's been a number of years since i studied antitrust law, when i did the conservative position was not as you represented it. it was -- the issue was whether or not the possible subject of antitrust investigation had the ability to control price within an industry. and it was the fairly workable definition if not a bright line. the other side, the position of the other side was basically that size, bigness was a negative on to itself. so that you could have conglomerates, they were to be broken up even not on price. >> can i offer so we don't get into a long suggestion, a free copy of the book john and i did? i think that misunderstanding, that statement that you made is probably not connect. the aunt trust laws were always aimed not at bigness but preventing monopolizing behavior, rather than mop hollies, rather than price increases and preventing -- i've never seen the successful consult on con glam -- conglomerates, the market took care of that. it murdered them. it's arcane discu

i know, as jeff pointed out, the rules certainly changed after 9/11, but were you surprised to hear that this administration would be taking this step? >> from the very start, campbellthink the thinking was this administration would be moving in the other direction, rather than going further than the bush administration essentially had which is what they've done at this point. it's interesting because what you're in again is the same problem the bush administration faced. i don't think the obama administration is doing much better in terms of the wider issues of american principles. the fact is how this will traffic around the world as the united states is willing to kill american citizens that oppose it. obviously, nobody wants this guy to be out there creating the trouble he has been creating, but this about what this does, what happened today. essentially, it raises the profile of al awlaki who is a problem. it makes him something of a rock star. probably ten times as many people will start reading his veerial matter online on the worldwide web. this issue of identifying in a kind of we'll get you kind of way, these terrorists has been shown not to be particularl