welcome back to conversations with great minds i'm joined by jeff clements co-founder and general counsel of the group free speech for people and author of the new book corporations are not people let's get back to a brilliant book with a forward by bill moyers i should add and a blurb on the back from tom hartman. i find myself in good company who was lewis paul lewis powell was really the father of the new corporate rights movement he was a lawyer in richmond virginia in the one nine hundred sixty s. he joined the board of directors of the philip morris tobacco company the cigarette company he was on the board of about a dozen other big corporations corporate lawyer and in about nine hundred seventy after witnessing twenty million people twenty million americans come out into the streets to demand better controls on earth day april nineteenth seventy to demand better balance about air pollution rivers catching on fire toxic waste basically corporate corporations externalizing everything poisonous and toxic and keeping the profits american said enough and we got a wave of environmental r