documents disclosed by the transparency group judicial watch talk more about this i'm joined now by jeff cohen media critic and journalism professor at ithaca college jeff welcome so descent into unpublished call into a government agency as this new york times reporter did would you say that it violates media ethics. well there's no doubt that it does you know the job of an independent reporter who's covering a powerful institution like the cia your job is to get leaks from honest ethical people inside that agency so you can tell the american public what's going on with that powerful agents those leaks are not supposed to go in the opposite direction where the newspaper a newspaper reporter is giving a column two days before it's in the newspaper to the cia that's just not how it's supposed to work it's an example of the kind of collusion that often happens in big u.s. media outlets you know when it comes to national security stories like those involving the cia we have a media that sometimes operates more as a fourth branch of government then as an independent for the states and i think this