and then lincoln said, "some of you just said something about huntin' up old jeff davis. well, i, for one, hope he would be like patty's flea. when they get their fingers on him, he just wouldn't be there." this comment was quite consistent with lincoln's desire to avoid show trials or any kind of punitive commissions. he wanted reconciliation, and lincoln often used jokes, many times ethnic ones, to soften a message of mercy or to conceal a willful blindness to past wrongs. these jests, comparative speaking to his contemporaries, were not very racist and harsh. and they show an awareness for the poor man's plight, chiding him mildly for his poverty and his traditions. doubtless in that day, nearly everyone, most especially poor immigrants, understood the problems of fleas and ill-fitting footwear. lincoln, when he became a member of the republican party, vastly opposed anything that the know nothings stood for. any attempt to change naturalization laws, abraham lincoln opposed. he advocated that a full and efficient protection of the rights of all classes of citizens, wh

jeff davis doesn't care. he doesn't care what is happening to these prisoners at these camps. it is a quandary. war, andout of civil it is one that is applicable to warfare in general. not just the civil war but wars previous and ones going on today as well. are there any questions? about henry wirz and andersonville? bywho made the decision trying somebody for a military tribunal instead of a civilian court? prof. emberton: the reason that decision was made at the time the events had happened during the war. as anave been acting emissary or a person of the confederate army and these were part of war duties. the army pretty much decided this is a wartime issue. military decided by a commission rather than civilian court. any other questions? ever ask the confederate government for better -- where their letters were documents? prof. emberton: did wirz ever ask for help? yes, he did. there are c sent to his ,uperiors and said i need food i need medicine. they said we don't have any. there is evidence he did try to get assistance and there was no assistance forthcoming. largely h

then lincoln said -- some of you just said something about hunting up old jeff davis. well, i for one hope he would be like patty's flea. when they get their fingers on him, he just wouldn't be there. this comments was quite consistent with lincoln's desire to avoid show trials or any kind of punitive commissions. he wanted reconciliation, and lincoln on which used jokes, many times ethnic ones, to soften a message of mercy, or to conceal a willful blindness to pass wrongs. they jests compared to his racists were not harsh. chiding him mildly for his poverty and for his traditions, doubtless in that day nearly everyone, most especially poor immigrants, understood the problems of fleaing and ill-fitting footwear. lincoln vastly opposed anything that the no-nothings stood for. he advocated a full protect of the right of all classes of citizens whether native or naturalized both at home or abroad by guaranteed. throughout his life there was no group closer to him than the germans. they supported him from the very, very beginning and actively participated in his campaigns.

this is why the conditions in this camper so bad because jeff davis is sitting in richmond and does not care about what is happening to the prisoners at these camps. so, do know, it is a quandary. it is a problematic question that comes out of the civil war, and it is one that it is really applicable to warfare in general, not just of the civil work, -- not just to the civil war, but lots of wars previous to that, and ones going on today as well. are there any questions? yes. >> who made the decision by trying somebody for a military tribunal instead of a civilian court? prof. emberton: the reason that decision was made at the time because the offense had happened during the war. happenedents have during the war. wirz have been acting as an emissary or a person of the confederate army and these were part of war duties. the army pretty much decided that this is a wartime issue. so, it can be decided by a military commission rather than a civilian court. any other questions? yes. >> does wirz ever ask the confederate government for better -- were their letters, were there documents? prof.

it is a great privilege to be here with jeff davis, one of the great entrepreneurs of our time. great business leader and another space and busiest. among other things, at the boeing company have the privilege of working with jeff and his blue origin team on a future rocket engine and space opportunities. more broadly than that, jeff is -- and his team are breaking barriers and low-cost, reliable space access and fundamentally changing the equation about how we will get to space in the future. that is exciting to see and we are honored to partner with aspects. lastly, i would like to a great friend and business leader. great philanthropist. well known here and more broadly a great historian. great fan of the space business. in a great supporter of the national air and space museum. david will be our moderator. i like to welcome all three of you fine gentleman up to the stage and we afford to the discussion. -- look forward to the discussion. [applause] my lasted here is to try to make this podium dissent. i'm in engineer by training site suspect this is the real region from a inv