been times you've gotten those readings and rolled over and had a quasi-retest or gone back down jeff degraafed about 1962, 1973 and 1974, another scare pretty quickly, didn't get back to the lows but right now there are those who look at those breadth and momentum readings and say, okay, that was real demand you can't just dismiss that. it was somewhat stronger than a typical bear market rally. >> mohamed, trying to figure out actual numbers like 3,600 on the s&p, is there anything in the action that you saw that we watched together as we did rebound from june 16th that makes you change your notion of seeing new lows? you sounded like you didn't want to go 3,600 anymore. it sounded like you think we could go lower but maybe not touch new lows did it convince you more staying power to a better market than you thought before >> what has really impressed me, and i'll be curious what mike thinks, is the strength of all the technicals if you look at what the market has had to deal with, it's had to deal with the fed being hawkish, had to deal with shorts at very high levels being set against stoc