we have our san francisco public defender jeff dochey and jackie wilson is with us as well, public defender. >> thank you very much for continuing this hearing. the challenge i think to us as both city officials department heads is to not only look as policing but the entire justice system. i wish i can say it begins with the police department but it's not. it's endemic. i have been a public defender for 29 years and i have seen this since the day i started. i can tell you the issue of race has been one that is plagued, the criminal justice system the juvenile justice system has been around for years. the disparity is not new. they have existed as long as i have been around. they exist not only because of the way in which we police, arrest and detain people, but also the way that a criminal justice system functions. we've had to take a hard look at our work as public defenders and ask how do unconscious biases, implicit biases affect the way in which we do our work. obviously prosecutors and judges are not immune. there are so many judgment points in the system where individuals, agencies a