, quote, georgia lieutenant governor jeff duncan, georgia, is a rino, never trumper too.f fraud in georgia and should be replaced. >> and me or my wife would get threats show up on our phone. like blood-curdling threats from just the most awful sounding individuals and deep meaning that would know things about you and your family, that they intentionally were trying to scare us and intimidate us. it was all to try to get us to sit down and be quiet. >> then-president trump wanted some republicans to sit down. others he invited to washington. >> he starts bringing in state legislators from pennsylvania, party leaders from michigan. >> uh-huh. he starts having democrat in to the white house, yes, to visit with him. again, this is part of the sales job that he thinks he's doing. he's telling them that really he won and they ought to consider that, and they ought to consider how they submit electors and how they go ahead in certifying the election in their states, but none of them went along with it at the end of the day. [ chant ] >> joe biden had 61,000 votes -- >> in michi

joining us now to discuss, georgia republican lieutenant governor jeff duncan and michigan's democratic secretary of state jocelyn benson. secretary benson, let me start with you. "the washington post" spoke with michigan's attorney general and here is what she told them about her challenger who is a trump backed conservative who filed a lawsuit challenging the vote in michigan. quote, there is no question if i am replaced by matthew democracy falls in michigan. not maybe. not possibly. certainly. he has made it clear not only he supports the big lie he is one of the originators of the big lie, unquote. obviously she faces an election challenge there but do you think that is hyperbole? if not, what does it mean for the people of michigan if their democracy falls? >> no it is not hyperbole. democracy is on the ballot this fall. it is an opportunity for voters to hold accountable those who have lied time and time again spreading misinformation about the truth of the 2020 election. it is also a potential opportunity for those bad actors who have clearly shown they don't believe in democrac

. >> so congressman jeff duncan, south carolina says that he's knocking to stop a finding on that secondich is essentially for health care worker because this is for anybody who is a volunteer or contractor, at a facility or medical facility, the get medicare, medicaid funding which is about every health care. those workers and contractors are volunteers have got to have the vaccine. congressman duncan says of the bun administration is forcing a shot on an estimated 20 million health care professionals nationwide, many of whom have had covid-19 and are immune. the nation nine staff shortage due to employees being fired for not complying with the vaccine mandate. i fear that this will cost lives instead of saving them due to understaffed medical facilities. what are your thoughts? >> some hospitals are down 10-25% of their staff. that's where the reasons why the influx of volume and patients that we are seeing right now with the omicron and with what we normally see with influenza or any bad flu season is stress in the hospital. but it is also more so a reduction in staff. and mandating t

one republican in this state looking to move on is jeff duncan, the author of the book "gop 2.0."start with that last thing you say, america's conservative party. i talked to my friends at the dispatch, and they're starting to question whether this current republican party is a conservative party or at least the trump version. >> well, look, i think it's time for real conservative leaders to step up and put a vision -- cast a vision for americans complaining about the past. i think that's going to be the turning point for the republican party. conservative values work. i think this country is a majority senate right, and we need to put that on display. that's certainly what the last election cycle was about. we just forgot to do that. >> i was going to say there hasn't been this after action report. democrats didn't fully reggen with the idea they won the white house but lost seats in the house. maybe you need to figure out why that happened, losing the popular vote for the last five presidential elections. here in a state where i think you're seeing why this is happening, suburba

duncan hunter. they reelected him while he was awaiting trial to. why not jeff fortenberry. said, donald trump is no longer president. so, the endgame here is less certain. after duncan, hunter and chris colors were convicted and sentenced to long person terms, president donald trump pardoned each of them. if republican congressman jeff fortenberry is also convicted like collins and hunter work, jeff fortenberry will have no haze in the hole. there will be no donald trump to pardon him. so if he is convicted, republican leader will look forward to the awkward dance of this serving republican member prepping for his prison term. and they'll have him resign. it has become a regular part of kevin mccarthy's job by. now three times in just the last five years this has happened. we and now, again, it looks like it will be happening to him again. which is honestly like getting hitting by lightning while you're getting hit by lightning on a blue moon on your birthday. but this is kevin mccarthy's life. the great florida political reporter works for nbc news now, quite a coup for nb

duncan hunter. republican voters re-elected them while they were awaiting trial too. why not jeff fortenberry? that said, donald trump is no longer president, so the end game here is less certain. after duncan hunter and chris collins were convicted and sentenced to long federal prison terms, then president donald trump pardoned each of them. if republican congressman jeff fortenberry is also convicted, like collins and hunter were, jeff fortenberry will have no such ace in the hole. there is no donald trump there now to pardon him. so if he is convicted, republican house leader kevin mccarthy gets to look forward to the awkward dance of this serving republican member of congress prepping for his prison term and having to make him resign and all of that. it's become almost a regular part of kevin mccarthy's job by now. three times in just the last five years this has happened to him. and now, again, it looks like it might be happening to him again, which is -- i mean honestly, this is like getting hit by lightning while you're winning the lottery on a blue moon on your birthday. like this is ju