but clearly in the back of his mind has to be what potentially can be said by jeff duncan or anyone elsebefore the grand jury in fulton county, georgia, and how the rest of those proceedings will unfold this coming week. >> that's right. jeff perfectly hit the nail on the head. this moment is encapsulating what this campaign is about for donald trump at this moment. he's trying to arrive at the fair. then there's news breaking about his legal cases. his campaign has so far embraced this. his campaign spokesman has said the campaign strategy is the legal strategy and the legal strategy is the political strategy. these two are intertwined. when we speaks to supporters in a little bit, we're fully expecting him to talk about his legal cases. he never misses an opportunity. the question is whether voters still want to hear that. >> he is likely not to dodge that moment and speak to reporters. however, this does come right after district court judge in d.c. said be careful about what it is that you share and what it is that you say. now preemptively you would think that the former president i

jeff duncan is now a cnn political commentator and this is his entire interview with me earlier today, as duncan talks about the subpoena and his plans to testify. >> so have you received that notice that would come from their office, a 48-hour notice to testify? >> fredricka, i did just receive notification to appear on tuesday morning at the fulton county grand jury, and i certainly will be there to do my part in recounting the facts. >> okay. you were one of 70 people who testified last year before a grand jury. is it your expectation that on tuesday, when you're asked questions again, that they will be similar, or do you expect or are you preparing yourself for new questions and a broadening of the investigation? >> well, i have no expectations as to the questions and i'll certainly answer whatever question is put in front of me and don't want to go any deeper than that to jeopardize the investigation. for me, this is a story that's important for republicans to hear, americans to hear. let's hear the truth and nothing but the truth about donald trump's actions and the surrounding

jeff duncan is testifying tuesday. if those are the only days the grand jury will be meeting next week, then all signs point to an indictment tuesday evening it will be announced. what will happen is they'll come out and then it will be unsealed and trump and his team and others will be notified and the public will know. probably by donald trump himself. he has a habit of letting people know when these things happen to him so you can expect that it's going to get really interesting next week, that's going to be the fourth of four cases against donald trump. as i said, i think the second most powerful one against him. >> it really is an unprecedented time seeing as he is the front runner for the gop nomination as it stands, just a few months before americans start voting in that primary race. it is quite a moment in american history. dave aronberg, thank you so much for your analysis, for helping us understand that better. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> still to come, much more analysis on the ramp up to a possibly

we were not expecting george chidi to testify today and jeff duncan to testify today.e the athe courthouse as we speak. the question here is at what point tonight is action taken. and if goes back to the conversation off camera, going back to that time period that you laid out there in the aftermath of the 2020 election, was the extent to which donald trump and his allies continued to perpetuate the fraud claims and continued to think they could overturn the election results here. you and i talked numerous times there was phone call that he placed no raffensperger and also to brian kemp. i remember standing and talking to you when i was outside of the capitol here in georgia when rudy giuliani was speaking before the subcommittee about his false election fraud claims. we were having a conversation, you and i, when donald trump that day of the rally in december and then in the rally in january when he continued to apply that pressure and the conversation was if action were not taken, what would happ if donald trump is the nominee in 2024. >> von, i feel like your our ey

he called the former georgia lieutenant governor, jeff duncan, is coming here to the camera after testifying, he called him a loser, warning that duncan, quote, shouldn't testify. trump also called the fulton county d.a. a, quote, phony and called the former d.a. very partisan and biased and unfair. all of that from the former president. paula, the lights are on, they're all inside. what is the latest there right now? >> reporter: and we are watching and waiting. the grand jury is still inside two hours after the courthouse usually closes. the judge who oversees this grand jury also still inside. he's popped his head out of chambers a few times to encourage reporters in the courtroom to just hang in there. so we continue to watch and wait while we do some reporting on exactly what has happened so far. among the witnesses that have gone before the grand jury are two former state lawmakers, both democratic former state senators went in to testify today. we expected they would be asked about a presentation they witnessed by rudy giuliani that was laden with conspiracy theories. moments ago the

indictment, just a short time ago cnn spoke with former georgia lieutenant governor and cnn contributor jeff duncanxt 48 hours before a grand jury in atlanta. fulton county district attorney fani willis has subpoenaed duncan to testify about efforts by former president trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 presential election in georgia. duncan is now a cnn political commentato we also know an independent journalist tweeted today he was also called by the fulton county district attorney and also asked to testify before that same grand jury on tuesday. meantime, multiple white house aides are telling cnn the biden administration is preparing to roll out a massive expansion of background checks for gun purchases. according to those sources, the biden campaign is working toward making gun safety a central issue in his re-election campaign. and several people advising the campaign telling cnn that gun safety along with abortion are biden's opportunity to characterize republicans as extreme. cnn's senior reporter isaac doe vary broke this story. great to see you. tell us what your sources are saying

what jeff duncan said is exactly right. credit to him for standing up and testifying, but as far as political analysis is concerned, there is a reason he is a former lieutenant governor of georgia. he was a rising star in the party, he did the right thing and he did not try to primary herschel walker for that senate seat because most republicans, not all, but most are still with donald trump. they are defending him on these indictments. they believe his lies about the election and there is not really a place in the party for people like jeff duncan, unfortunately. >> there is a great article that peter baker wrote in the new york times. i think we are somewhere up above 90 counts total. here is part of what he writes. it is, quote, the accumulated indictments are kind of white nose for voters. he conducts weekly focus groups with voters. he says they cannot tell the difference between georgia and jack smith because it all blows together in one long new cycle of trump in trouble. is there a way for that noise, that confusion

just hours before the indictment was returned, former republican lieutenant governor of georgia, jeff duncanjeff, i appreciate your time this morning. first off, the 98-page indictment, it's now out. you have seen it. was there anything in there that either surprised you or looked off base from your personal experience throughout this process and this investigation? >> yeah. my early assessment is there's really no names on there that surprised me and no scenarios that surprised me. that might come in contrast to republicans all over the country, but this was what we were talking against during the immediate days and months after the 2020 election cycle. the math just didn't add up, right? you couldn't take a tweet and turn it into a factual scenario. so, no, nothing really surprised me that jumped off the page. >> i want our viewers to hear something you said last night. i believe this is when you walked out of the courthouse about what you hope america takes from this. here you were. >> my hope is that americans believe us. my hope is that republicans believe us that this election was fair

just a short time ago i spoke with former georgia republican lieutenant governor jeff duncan, who told me that he will testify in the next 48 hours before a grand jury in atlanta. fulton county district attorney fani willis has subpoenaed duncan to testify about efforts by former president donald j. trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 presidential election in georgia. duncan is now a cnn political commentator. here is durncan and what he tol me earlier today about the subpoena and his plans to testify. >> i did just receive notification to appear on tuesday morning at the fulton county grand jury, and i certainly will be there to do my part in recounting the facts. i have no expectations, but i'll certainly answer questions put in front of me and certainly don't want to go any deeper than that to compromise the investigation. for me, this is a story that's important for republicans to hear, americans to hear. let's hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth about donald trump's actions and the surrounding cast of characters around him. we watched a series of events happen tha

one of them set to testify is former georgia lieutenant governor jeff duncan. what is expected to come out of his testimony? >> jeff duncan is someone up until the 2020 election, was an ally of trump, and supporter of trump. he drew the line at efforts to overturn the election in georgia. he's the lieutenant governor in georgia. with that comes real power because he is president of the state senate. what happened was, jeff duncan, parted not just with president trump, but other conservative members of the general assembly that were pushing the stop the steal effort. he can talk about those discussions among republican elected officials in the general assembly. those decisions, he can talk about the pushback. why he and other republicans or democrats felt that it was improper, for example, to give rudy giuliani, the platform he was afforded by some members of the general assembly to spread misinformation and disinformation. his testimony could be key. not only was he on the inner circle, he was on the inner circle with conservatives. >> tia mitchell, thank you f

so i don't know what jeff duncan wants to take us back to. honest, i had to look him up to figure out who the heck he was. that's how big a deal he is in the republican party. donald trump has led us ably, he will continue to, and i think a lot of people will say to jeff duncan and others like him if you want the republican party back like it used to be, no thank you. we don't want to go back to those days when we basically were no different than democrats and the leftists. elizabeth: got it. governor huckabee, thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: good to see you. we're staying on hillary clinton. she's now criticizing voters' ignorance about bidenomics when they live it every day. and we have that cnn poll add to the growing list of polls, u.s. voters say the economy is getting worse. and still ahead, congressman tim burchett, art laffer, outkick's charlie arnold, gop strategist ford o'connell and columnist liz peek is going to take on president biden finally saying he will go to hawaii's wildfire disaster down the ro

we're joined by the former republican lieutenant governor of georgia, jeff duncan. he's also a cnn political commentator. thank you for joining us. the president says the sweeping orders violates his first amendment rights. do you think he could threaten -- >> i think everything is on the table. even the communication in the last 48, 72 hours he's put out seem ererratic, unmoored from truth. there's similar hall marks i'm watching play out in the last few days that bring me back to a terrible place, the lead-up to january 6th, just a continuous deluge, and feverish pitch through social media posts. >> cnn has learned you received a subpoena to testify before a fulton county grand jury investigating trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. will you commit to testifying? >> yeah, i'll be there answer the facts as i know them and to continue this process of trying to discover actually what happened during that period of time. certainly we can never repeat that in this country. a lot of good people's lives were uprooted. a lot of people's reputations we

how about god bless jeff duncan? [applause] when you're on the campaign trail running for president people always ask you why are you running for president? my answer is a simple answer. because i know america can do for anyone what she has done for me. that is why am focusing on restoring hope, creating opportunities, and protecting the america we love. protecting america for me does start with backing the blue. you've been talking about it for a couple of minutes. the importance of backing the blue cannot be over emphasized. as a kid who grew up in a single-parent household in poverty, i have to tell you in my neighborhoods, some of my friends were shot, locked up, or buried. having law enforcement running into our neighborhoods while everybody else was running out was absolutely essential. as americans we must stop the radical left from defunding the police. [applause] we believe in law enforcement. we must not only refund the police but restore respect and admiration for law enforcement. one out of five law enfor

why would jeff duncan be significant now as a witness? >> sure.voice in terms of his public criticism of donald trump's efforts to over turn the 2020 election. we talked to him extensively for a documentary and he said that he was really embarrassed to see rudy giuliani, trump's former attorney as well as this other band of trump acolytes show up in georgia from the state senate and give this presentation to the lawmakers and at the time the lieutenant governor was the president of the georgia state senate and he said he didn't sanction those meetings ahead of time so he may have more to provide the grand jury just about how this wasn't a line with what the rest of the government was thinking and he never signed off the presentations playing out before georgia state lawmakers and he lends a voice in line with what the fulton county is concerned. he's one of a number of people we've heard from who have been subpoenaed and other former senate and independent journalist, it is clear that fani willis's seem it lining up their potential grand jury pres

today, nbc news confirmed that former lieutenant governor jeff duncan, a republican.did two former state lawmakers who are really giuliani's presentation of election fraud claims in 2020. back with us, tonight he needs no introduction. the reporter in the state, greg bluestein, political reporter for the atlanta journal-constitution. and lucky us, an msnbc political contributor. greg, what do we know about the timeline right now? o'neal says that a lot more than jack smith has. >> yeah. it's hard for her to heart from the spotlight, she's a publicly elected official. been able to get trump book vance, around town. look, she said she's ready to go. we know behind the scenes that there is still a few more things she's got to do. we know for instance that she has subpoenaed at least for witnesses. none of them have gotten the 48-hour notice to show up and testify behind closed doors. that does not mean that there is a delay or anything like that. but at this point, it would still be shocking if we don't have any sort of news from fools. any announcement within the next w

also appearing sooner than planned was the former lieutenant governor of georgia, jeff duncan.a republican and former trump supporter who broke with the ex president in 2020. earlier today, donald trump attacked duncan on social media, saying that he, quote, should not testify before the grand jury. trump also called him, quote, a nasty disaster for those looking into the election fraud that took place in georgia. when duncan we left the courthouse a little over an hour ago, he told nbc news that he thinks this moment was a pivot point for his pardon. >> i think it's important to tell the truth. i have to respond to my constitutional duty, and answer to the grand jury -- it's important for us as a country. we cannot forget exactly what happened. let americans decide. we will let america decide what's best for us. as a republican, this is a perfect point for us. this is a pivot point -- the pivot point is we need to get this party back in the right direction, and to do that, we're gonna have to go through tough stuff. >> joining us now from the fulton county courthouse is nbc ne

i think that jeff duncan is the cleanup hitter. think he is the key to her case because, look, he's a republican. he was a lieutenant governor. he was a long critic of trump and their attempts to overturn the election. i think that's why she's going to have him testify last after he testifies, i think she's going to ask for a vote of the grand jury. all you need is a majority vote. you have to find probable cause that a crime occurred, and that's the indictment. it's relatively easy. it's not a high standard to reach. that's why they say that we prosecutors could indict a ham sandwich because there is no defense lawyer there. it's just the prosecutors. the witnesses, and the jurors themselves. >> and so dave, just thinking on process as far as the -- as you were saying possibly the last witness, and then how quickly does that process go from whatever the charges may be to an indictment? >> well, after you have your last witness, then you go to the grand jurors, and you ask for a vote on various counts, and if they vote in the major

if jeff duncan, our colleague just got a subpoena. yes, it's not quite done yet.s could be the final stage. maybe she wasn't speaking quite literally done done done. but this could be a finishing touch. i was trying to think about what former lieutenant governor duncan would have to say. remember, as lieutenant governor in georgia he was in charge of the senate. that was one of his state constitutional duties. there was false testimony by rudy giuliani given to the senate. he could be a capstone witness. i agree. i still expect her to indictment very, very shortly. i don't think this is some unexpected speed bump that will push the timeline back. >> go ahead. >> this gets baaing to the rudy of it all tied into cnn's exclusive reporting around bernie kerik. i worked with bernie kerik and worked for rudy giuliani a long time ago. the fact that bernie was so embedded with donald trump this time around, you know, he's got a lot of access and a lot of information. and the question is whether they were proceeding in good faith which is hard to do if you have absolutely

>> jen jordan, jeff duncan, elie honig, michael moore. thank you very much. perspective now from retired federal appeals court judge and distinguished conservative legal scholar, jay michael luttig. we did spokes shortly before airtime. >> judge, we mentioned the fulton county d. a. is asking for a march 4th start date for this trial. two months after special counsel jack smith's proposed start date. what do you make of that date? and which of these trials do you think will go first? >> anderson, thank you for having me on tonight. it's my pleasure. at this point, early, it's impossible to know exactly how, or even whether, these various trials of the former president will be sequenced. and held. i believe that the courts involved will cooperate with each other. and sequence the trials in such a manner as to ensure that the former president's tried on all of these matters. before the 2024 election. i am relatively confident that, if that's not possible, that the trials will be sequenced such that the trial of the former president on the charges relating to ja

this was right before jeff duncan went before the grand jury. said this is essentially witness tampering. >> yeah, this seems to violate georgia state law that prohibits influencing witnesses from testifying in an official proceeding like a grand jury proceeding. you know, i was in court earlier this month, when i heard the magistrate judge put donald trump on notice at his arraignment, that you're, quote, most important condition of release is that you not violate any federal, state or local law and if you do, your release in this case could be revoked. what does donald trump do virtually hours before a georgia grand jury votes to indict him? he does precisely what the magistrate judge put him on notice he must not do, and he tried to influence a witness by saying something that just was mind blowing. he said the witness shouldn't testify in a grand jury criminal investigation into donald trump's alleged crimes. i contend that what should happen next, ana, is that that information should be packaged up, should be presented to judge tanya chutka

again -- >> in 2018, in the increasingly purple state of georgia, jeff duncan ran as a long shot on right hand -- >> and he won. >> so no one actually can question your conservativeness. there's no question about your foreign policy or other issues. there's no way you're squishy or liberal. >> i'm a conservative because i believe in the principles. not because it gets me elected. i'm wired to be a conservative. i was raised that way. the business that's i run are conservative. that's who i am. >> but in 2020, after duncan pushed back against a wave of false claims? >> it is certainly disheartening to watch folks willing to put their character and their morals out there just so they can spread a half truth or a lie in the efforts to maybe flip an election. >> duncan found himself on the receiving end of republican fury. just lying georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger whose office was flooded with calls urging him to change the results of the election. >> i want to talk to brad raffensperger. i want to talk to this piece of [ bleep ] for not doing the right thing. this elec

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one of them is former georgia lieutenant governor jeff duncan who is also a cnn contributor.espair facing a possible fourth indictment, he's on the campaign trail joining other republican candidates a the the iowa state fair. jeff zeleny has the details. >> reporter: the iowa state fair on saturday was a playground for presidential candidates including, of course, former president donald trump who arrived here in des moines at the very time it was being learned that the georgia grand jury will continue their investigation and interviews of witnesses next week. of course, the former president defiant about that role in the georgia election back in 2020 when he is accused of trying to meddle in that election. he called the call to brad raffensperger a perfectly fine call. he talked about his front-runner status in the race. he said he's taking nothing for granted. >> so we'll be back. we are not taking any chances. we are way up in the polls tonight, all over the country, up by over 50 points. that's a lot. we don't want to take any chances. we'll be back. we love you very much

can you imagine somebody, i know jeff duncan is not gonna vote for trump but there are so many people in that boat. you interviewed the former attorney general on who said that he'll jump off that bridge when it comes to it whether we have to vote for trump or biden. and i think that people really need to sit back and think, remember what the current president said repeatedly. don't judge me against the almighty, judge me against the alternative. i think people are stating him, seriously i think republicans are saying we don't really like donald trump, we might -- but we sure don't like biden and kamala harris, we don't want them in the white house anymore. that is what you're seeing, that's what's playing out here, and just as a van and others poll after poll, reportedly said that we don't want donald trump and joe biden against each other. i think if both candidates decide that if trump wins away biden will go away, we would be able to turn the page. i think that until that happens jeff duncan won't get the kind of mourning in america and bucolic republican party that he is hoping f

cnn political commentator jeff duncan joining us now, a former republican lieutenant governor of georgiaou received that notice that would come from their office, a 48-hour notice to testify? >> i did just receive notification to appear on tuesday morning at the fulton county grand jury. i certainly will be there to do my part in recounting the facts. >> okay. you were one of 70 people who testified last year before a grand jury. is it your expectation that on tuesday when you're asked questions again, that they will be similar, or are you preparing yourself for new questions and a broadening of the investigation? >> well, i have no expectations as to the questions. i'll certainly answer whatever question is put in front of me and certainly don't want to go any deeper than that to jeopardize the investigation. this is a story that is important for republicans to hear, americans to hear. let's hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth about donald trump's actions and the surrounding cast of characters around him. we watched a series of events here that were tragic and untruthful. he'

governor jeff duncan has to say.matter of fact, nobody cares what he has to say except the viewers maybe on cnn. >> laura: well, this idea congressman carter criminalize legal theories. challenging state election law, you know, and how it was determined in the 11th hour in some of these states, that's now a crime? that's only going to go one way and only going to be used against america first republicans. >> absolutely. and that's a valid point that you make there because why shouldn't would he be questioning it? and let's not forget that this is not the first time these elections have been questioned. if you will remember, the first time that stacey abrams ran for governor, she was questioning and actually alleging that there was inconsistencies and that it was stolen from her. she said that. was she indicted? no. she has not been indicted. so, you know, there is a double standard here. there is a justice system in america for those who are named clinton and biden and for everyone else. that is a sad, sad state of a

jeff duncan joins us now. have taken trump's warning, threat, whatever you want to call it to you, that you should not testify in stride. trump now faces 91 charges in four criminal cases. are you concerned that he might continue to make some other comments aimed at other witnesses? >> well, certainly, that's just his game. he'll continue to play a child's game, and look, if he didn't do anything wrong, this should be really easy. he should be able to present the facts and details of the proofs that he has gotten the mountains of evidence that he and rudy talked about and present it and move on with his life. my guess is, the reason why he's so hostile is because that information isn't there. those files aren't there. those dead bodies that voted, those felons that got out of jail, those mountains of missing ballots that showed up at the last second, they're just not there. so it's just the child's game he plays. politically speaking, that presents this problem called the 2024 election. we have the weakest sit

. >> reporter: trump lashing out at former georgia lieutenant governor and cnn contributor jeff duncan, a republican set to testify before the grand jury today. >> i'm going to answer the questions presented to me like i did in the special grand jury. to the best of my ability i'm going to answer the questions. >> duncan declined to say whether he felt intimidated. there were a series of insults aimed at duncan. >> with this tampering, he's trying to send a message to duncan to withhold or whatever. trump just doesn't seem to be able to help himself. >> reporter: this week's grand jury presentation the culmination of a sprawling two and a half year criminal investigation, covering trump's call to georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> reporter: to the fake electors to convened to cast illegitimate votes for trump and a voting systems breach in coffey county and former state senator bea wynn about conspiracy ridden presentations trump's attorneys gave before state lawmakers in dece

jeff duncan, georgia's former lieutenant governor and cnn contributor, confirming he's been summoned to appear before the grand jury. >> i did just receive notification to appear on tuesday morning. i will certainly answer whatever questions are put in front of me. >> gathered to sign a certification for then president trump in december 2020. >> they all marched me out of the room and posted somebody out front to make sure nobody else went in. >> reporter: in addition to >> reporter: in addition to >> reporter: in addition to >> reporter: in addition to >> reporter: in addition to >> reporter: in addition to s . >> i just want to find 11,780 votes. >> the breach of voting systems is part of the probe. sources tell cnn investigators have long suspected the breach was a top-down effort by trump's team rather than an organic effort by trump backers. and sources say they have text messages and e-mails that directly connect members of trump's legal team to that breach. >> did you have any sense this was tied to other operatives in the trump campaign and beyond lower level people? >> not i

donald trump posted that i am reading reports that former authentic governor of georgia jeff duncan will be testifying before the fulton county grand jury, he should not. there is donald trump thank a witness not to testify, but that was before he was under a court order specifically for putting him from doing that. it is very likely that donald trump will stop making any direct or indirect threats to codefendants or witnesses, but the court order does not forbid him from making direct or indirect threats to district attorney fani willis. but it does prevent donald trump from doing anything, quote, to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice. and that is a general term that could mean that the judge in the case might have to decide whether donald trump's attacks on the district attorney obstruct the administration of justice. do donald trump's vicious lying attacks against attorney general fani willis pressure jurors in the case against the district attorney? in his announcement tonight of the scheduled arrest on thursday, donald trump called fani willis, quote, the radical left

so speculate ago bit, consistent with what jeff duncan said publicly and where the fulton county d.a.as been looking. >> there is a video. do we have it? are we able to show it? of president biden with a mug and -- there you see it. >> brandon mug. >> victor understand this. >> you go. >> this is apparently his alter ego, born out of what was supposed to be this derogatory chant, let's go brandon, and then his campaign adapted this and sell it with merchandising. the trump lawyers in the decision over how much control will be placed over -- and this protective order fight over the january 6th investigation say that that is a thinly veiled reference to the indictment and that it's -- i guess it's happening on both sides when the special counsel referenced if you go after me, i'm coming after you. >> elie never looks confused. >> i do because that's a -- that feels like a stretch to me. >> that's -- that's the question more than is it -- this judge is gonna get tired of it. >> it's irrelevant to the legal issue if joe biden is saying nice or mean things. he is not a party to this lawsui

law of unintended consequences. >> one people that the grand jury will hear from is republican jeff duncannd i want to explain what he told my colleague about this and then we'll talk. >> i think this indictment is given than the others is that there is 12 plus co-conspirator yois and these folks don't have the same level of loyalty to donald trump when he was trying to change the election outcome in 2020 so it is interesting to see which way they go. these are serious charges. racketeering, conspiracy, and rico. those are things really kind of garners for the mafia or the mob. >> there was a lot there. one, just the sprawling sense of this investigation in terms of who else might be sort of involved in this, co-conspirators, but also the potential charges. walk me through the standards that wove to be met po pursue charges as such racketeering or conspiracy. >> to start with, the grand jury doesn't mean as much as a real jury. they are saying we have enough evidence that we believe we could do forth and obtain a conviction. a real jury, once it is out the grand jury stage, once a true bil

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but then i look at what he posted about jeff duncan, the lieutenant governor of georgia.asically what some people have described is intimidating a witness. this is someone who's called to the grand jury to give his testimony in fani willis's case. >> yeah, it was more than just intimidating a witness. it violated the georgia statute that prohibits influencing or attempting to influence a witness and dissuade them from testifying in an official proceeding. here's what i find so interesting, i was in the courthouse for donald trump's arraignment in the overflow courtroom watching it live streamed. the magistrate judge that donald trump serve the most important condition of your release. is that you cannot commit any federal state or local law. and if you do, you release could be revoked. and you can be detained and then -- do you understand. donald trump said he dead. and not days later he posted something to this hold -- certainly sounded like it violated the georgia state law prohibiting influencing witnesses. he said, i know lieutenant governor, former lieutenant governo

>>'s over it. >> reporter: in the midst of the riot, then lieutenant governor of georgia jeff duncanvoice. put down your differences. put down your partisanship. >> reporter: more than 20 georgia residents would go on to face charges stemming from their actions in washington, d.c. on january 6, according to a cnn tally. >> donald trump started caring, stopped caring about this country the moment he lied. in my personal opinion, it was a direct attack against democracy itself. our conspiracy theories may have reached their apex on january 6, but donald trump still have fuses to acknowledge the 2020 election results. >> i ran twice, i won twice. back and still cannot accept his loss in georgia. >> if you look at what happened in atlanta, millions of votes, and all you have to do is take a look at government cameras. even as fenty willis indicted donald trump and 18 others, named in a 41 count conspiracy to overturn biden's 2020 victory. >> every individual charge and the indictment is charged with participation in a criminal enterprise in fulton county, georgia. >> reporter: the georgi

once this becomes a trial and other things, there are many other republicans speaking out like jeff duncano it's going to get messy for them. i think they are losing an opportunity here in some respects to make that argument to the part of the republican base who want to turn the page to give them a reason to do so. >> there's a lot of ways to do it and a hot lot of nuanced ways to do it. we made a list of different ways that former president trump actually weaponized the government. here are some issues here that trump pr preessures the justice department to investigate hillary. where a are all the arrests? 2022, john kelly says trump wanted to get the irs on james comey and also in 2022, cassidy hutchinson was one of the witnesses trump sought to influence. the irony is thick. we see this a lot with trump and his world. it's almost saying it's like projecting out what maybe they have been doing on to other people. >> and the argument from trump and his allies isn't that the department of justice shouldn't be weaponized. it's saying we should weaponize the justice department against liber

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i would like to move on like jeff duncan and ken buck told you. >> the last one will be on camera, whicha big difference as well. thanks so much to both of you. >>> coming up, what we know about the next steps in fulton county's case against former president trump. why will it likely mean the very first presidential mugshot? stay with us. you are watching special coverage of the indictment of donald trump right here on msnbc. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? yeah. any truck can help you make a living. this one helps you build a life. chevy silverado. businesses need 5g solutions today. that's why they choose t-mobile for business. mlb partners with t-mobile to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. aaa relies on t-mobile's network to stay connected nationwide, so they can help get their members back on the road. and we're helping pano ai innovate, to stop the spread of wildfires. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. how wil

that we know that two witnesses are confirmed, a journalist as well as former lieutenant governor jeff duncan, for tuesday. prosecutors often -- she could just put an investigator on the stand. she had a special grand jury that sat and produced a report. she could just give the grand jury that report. but prosecutors like to warm up a grand jury with live witnesses. so we could very well see an indictment come out of that grand jury as soon as tuesday. i have been a criminal defense lawyer for over three decades. criminal law is full of surprises. no guarantees, but right now, i would say tuesday is probably our most likely landing point for an indictment. >> kind of keep our eye on that. one more thing i think is so different because remember, this will be the fourth indictment if it does come down. from the federal cases, especially, against the former president, is in georgia, this could be televised, right? >> yes, georgia is not like the federal cour. the federal courts didn't experiment with televising trials the judges didn't like it.georg transparency, personally i think that's a good

this morning i spoke with both jeff duncan and jen jordan.e they have not gotten the 48 hours notice. what that tells us is this is not going to go before a grand jury this week. that's why we're looking closely at next week. as for who those people are, katy, and how they fit into the d.a.'s case, jen jordan, and vi nguyen were two people among a group of lawmakers who heard a presentation from rudy giuliani where he espoused debunked claims. they will testify about what they heard, and the former governor can speak to what donald trump said in the days following the election. when we talk about timing here, this is something that we're watching very closely, of course, because you see the security behind me. we know that preparations are being made both outside and inside the courthouse due to a number of threats that have come into fulton county, come into the d.a., the sheriff, since we have been getting closer and closer to the announcement of charging decisions. the d.a. said she plans to have this done by september 1st, and she's book

he was literally sitting next to jeff duncan waiting to testify and after a period of time, the d.a. came up to him the office came up to him and advised him that his testimony wasn't needed. whatever evidence he was going to provide to the grand jury was deemed to not be necessary. there is not a requisite or minimal number of witnesses that are required to present evidence to the grand jury. in this instance, we don't know the total number at the end of the day that appeared, but whatever it was, it was enough per a probable call standard for 10 indictments to be returned. >> i'm going to ask the control room to put up on screen the photo that you have been describing in terms of the front page of the indictment. it says, certification of the grand jury indictments returned in open court. i hereby certify that on august 14, 2023 after the indictments have been presented to the grand jury and session had been adjourned for the day, said indictments were returned in open court as required by law and present for said returns were assistant district attorney there is a name, deputy she

served with former lieutenant governor jeff duncan, was present, was there, witnessed and really try to push back on everything that they were doing. i'll tell you at the time i have no clue just how expansive it was, it seemed to me like this doesn't even make sense, right? i don't even understand why they are trying to push some of these theories as a lawyer for over 20 years. and all, i know the constitution in georgia and the federal things that john eastman were saying did not match with the constitution, did not comport with georgia law, but it's a thing that the folks that were in the room believed it and wanted to be real and we're pushing it. they wanted to make sure that the message got up to the larger public. that was the beginning of what we saw on january six. when i was there i had no clue, no clue that that kind of first step, the first over x that happen in the georgia state capital on december 3rd would lead to what we saw ungenerous six. >> jeff duncan, lieutenant governor, were you of the same mind frame? did it make sense to you, those early days? >> looking back

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the event was hosted by representative jeff duncan of south carolina. >> it is good to see you when i was watching the governor i was thinking to myself, i have to remind him to make sure that the kids brush their teeth before he puts them to bed tonight. which is exciting. it is the first time i've been out on the town without the better half of a six, five, and 3-year-old. i don't know what to do with myself. we have the hurricane in the gulf, and we aren't sure if it will be a category three or higher. hopefully it will lessen and there won't be an impact with damage to life or property, but he is exactly where he needs to be. he needs to be running the state. he told me that he wanted to be here. i know you didn't come here to see me tonight, but it is an honor and privilege for me to stand in for him, so thank you. congressman duncan, you have been a friend. thank you for everything you've done to stand up for law enforcement, for the rule of law. you are a champion for freedom and our veterans. honestly, it's great to be here to talk to someone older than the age of five. you ha

jeff duncan is the former republican lieutenant governor of georgia. i want to start with my two attorneys over here. early, you've had time now to absorb this. there's so much detail in this and, yes, it can be hard to wade through but it is fascinating. >> we have been referring to this as a sort of shorthand for two and a half years now as january 6th, january 6th case, the january six indictment. but this indictment is largely not about the actual events of january six, 2021. it is a last chapter, maybe a footnote but really what is focused on is the fraud scheme that predated-less. over the prior months and weeks leading up to january 6th and this is a masterwork, prosecutorial. i have read countless indictments, this is remarkably persuasive and, the fundamental point that they are getting across is that there is such thing as truth and there is such thing as knowing what the truth is and there's such thing as knowing that you are telling a lie. and you can only bury your head in the stand for so long and that is crucial because that is going to

george cheedy and jeff duncan say they'll testify tomorrow that information clarifies the timeline fulton county d. oofd.a. fan willis is working on experts say willis could use a state organized crime law to charge more than a dozen people in the case. the former president maintained his innocence while campaigning in iowa over the weekend >> we don't take plea deals, because i did nothing wrong. it's called election interference >> reporter: fortif the grand j did hand up an indictment against former president trump it would be the fourth criminal indictment he faces. he's currently the frontrunner for the gop nomination jess >> all right, chris, thank you >>> overseas now ukraine, at least seven people were killed by russian shelling in the kherson region sunday. among the dead, ann tire family of four, including a three week old infant, according to the interior minister, commenting on the attack in a speech posted on telegram, president zelenskyy said, quote, we will not leave any of russia's crimes unanswered let's go live to raf sanchez who is following these developments how did t