>> so far jeff duncan is a lone republican voice for sure.re not seeing a lot of this from any direction of the republican party. you might see a couple more but i don't anticipate there will be some huge movement. the more important thing that jeff duncan and others like him willing to come forward to do is to influence those republicans who are on the -- standing on the line, on the wall, right? it's less important that we have hundreds of known republican names come forward. it's more important that those who do help to move the thousands and millions of republicans that job is going to need to win. i hope we see jeff duncan out there campaigning for president biden and not just writing an op-ed for him. >> can i ask you quickly, jennifer, the fact that nikki haley got almost 22% of the vote dropped out in march, how alarming is that? >> it should be alarming to donald trump. what we have seen from the exit polls is that the majority of those nikki haley voters are more antitrump vote than they are a pro nikki haley vote. trump, you know,

jeff duncan of georgia said that the gop must move on from trump if it wants to survive. know you're not saying who you are going to vote for, but do you agree with those two statements from those two men? >> i think there is a typical split in the republican party between libertarians and conservatives. now we have a third group, maga republicans who are supporting trump no matter what had he has a loyalty in the republican party that is unbelievable. he also has a vote that's hard to measure in polls, just like it was in 2016. i think the republican party at some point will move beyond the strong personality that donald trump exerts and will get back to the issue between conservatives and libertarians moving forward so i do think paul is right in terms of how the republican party evolves in the next 10 years but right now , this election, it is clearly donald trump's republican party. >> all right then. congressman, pleasure to meet you. thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. former congress in -- congressman buck, thanks. >>> when we return, how president biden is

paul ryan and jeff duncan.licans who said this week they will not vote for donald trump in november. what about you? will you vote for him? >> i have said i won't vote for a convicted felon. i am not making a decision on this point on who i'm going to vote for. i want to make one thing really clear, that is jeff duncan, the former senator in georgia. not in south carolina who is in congress right now. i think there are number of high-profile republicans who will not support president trump in this election. >> i get you haven't made your decision yet, but i do want to ask you. paul ryan said this week, i just want to pull it up. i have it somewhere here. paul ryan said that this is a character issue. jeff duncan of georgia said that the gop must move on from trump if it wants to survive. i know you are not saying who you are going to vote for, but do you agree with those two statements from those two men? >> i think there is a typical split in the republican party's between libertarians and conservatives. now w

jeff duncan says jo like joe biden but my god look at the country.will do much less damage than donald trump. >> elections in four years. bill barr when he talks about progressive policies, the additional reporting suggests it's things like the risk to gas stoves. you are saying the risk to gas stoves is more than our risk to democracy and having our voices heard. >> jen, far be it for me to put you in bill barr's shoes -- we know why tim scott embarrasses himself on tv. he wants to be vice president. but to bill barr, mitch mcconnell. why? is it close to power? they believe donald trump will get reelected? >> i think there is the tim scott category as you said embarrassing to watch, cringey. i watched it many times. many of them want to be close to power and they assume or have this thought in their mind that maybe donald trump will go away. maybe he will go to jail. maybe he will die, not to be too morbid. who knows what is in their minds. maybe i will be behind the oval office. the other considering is the one you mentioned, of course, of all thes

now, jeff duncan, the former republican lieutenant governor of georgia, is calling them out by name incan writes, quote, "it is disappointing to watch an increasing number of republicans fall in line behind former president donald trump. this includes some of his fiercest detractors, such as senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, new jersey governor chris sununu, and former u.s. attorney general bill barr." he continues, "yes, elections are a binary choice. yes, serious questions linger about president biden's ability to serve until the age of 86. his progressive policies aren't to conservatives' liking. the alternative is another term of trump, a man who has disqualified himself through his conduct and his character. most important, trump fanned the flames of unfounded conspiracy theories that led to the horrific events of january 6th. he refuses to admit he lost the last election and has hinted he might do so again after the next one. trump has shown us who he is. we should believe him. to think he is going to change at the age of 77 is beyond improbable. unlike trump, i've belonged

georgia lieutenant governor jeff duncan urged conservative republicans to back president joe biden.policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass. the headlines are blazed with this hush money trial over allegations of improper record keeping for payments to conceal and an affair with an adult film star. trump found the flames of conspiracy theories that lead to on january 620 21. he refuses to admit that he lost the last election and has hinted he might do so again after the next one. executive director of republican voters against trump and publisher of his back with us. sarah, i feel like with everything that you are all doing publicly, there is so much below the surface that is shifting in our politics and you. anecdotally everywhere. you hear about trump voters who are. you hear about trump voters who were disgusted, reliving all the access hollywood tape. i just wonder what you are seeing in the data. >> as we talk about on the show a lot, i do focus groups every week, often times with republican voters. one of the things that this trial in particular, and i am sure

jeff duncan who is indeed a republican called out former president trump in an op-ed he wrote. duncan writes this. it's dyspointing to watch an increasing number of republicans fall in line behind former president donald trump. this includes some of his fiercest detractors such as mitch mcconnell, chris sununu, and u.s. attorney general bill barr. he continues, yes, elections are a binary choice. yes, serious questions linger about president biden's ability to serve until the age of 86. his progressive policies aren't to conservatives liking. the auralturnative is another term of trump, a man who has disqualified himself through his conduct and his character. most importantly trump fanned the flames of unfounded conspiracy theories that led to the january 6th. trump has shown us who he is. we should believe it. to think he is going to change at the age of 77 is beyond improbable. unlike trump, i believe to the gop my entire life. this november i am voting for a decent person i disagree with on policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass. a stance like that rare in t

would you want jeff duncan? i don't know campaigning with joe biden. would you want joe biden to ask geoff duncan to campaign with him yeah, i would absolutely. >> because i think what the biden campaign needs to do is to build as broad a coalition as possible. and a piece of that coalition are disaffected. reply is disaffected republicans who don't want to see donald trump be president. i mean, at the end of the day, if somebody is out making a forceful case about the threat that they believe that donald trump poses to democracy mean that's a really core argument that the biden campaign is building on. and so having somebody out there who is going to make that case from a republican perspective is powerful pull it reminds people that what donald trump is espousing is out of touch with where voters are, is dangerous, is perhaps uniquely dangerous. so, yes. look, i think the biden campaign wants to build his broader coalition as possible. if jeff duncan is willing to come out and talk about why donald trump shouldn't be president biden campaign should we

the former lieutenant governor, in an op-ed, jeff duncan, has a piece where he said he is voting forhim. he writes quote, the gop will never rebuild until we move on from the trump era. unlike trump, i have belonged to the gop my entire life. this november i am voting for a decent person that i disagree with on policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass. georgia is a crucial purple state. is duncan a republican with enough influence to get people to listen? >> i believe so. he served well. everything that i have been able to gauge, people liked him. he did a good job as lieutenant governor. he is known in the state and a former baseball player and athlete. he has a gravitas with voters and people in the state that can be useful in helping to create the permission structure for republicans and center- right independent voters that otherwise may lean toward trump because going back to mom, she would be mad if i voted for a democrat. there are a lot of efforts underway. i applaud the lieutenant governor for taking a bold stance and helping to create that structure to say i

president biden certainly doesn't seem to believe if the pulse, i guess we're about to find out jeff duncanhank you very much for being with us. i always appreciate having you hope you come back, please all right. >> time now for sports in the nba's eastern conference final tip off with an overtime thriller between the celtics in the pacers, carolyn maddow has this morning police report. carolyn, good morning. >> good morning. and lights. an unusual to say that the number one seed, casey playing it hello managed to steal a win in the eastern conference finals, but that's what happened in game one between boston, indiana pacers proved that they belong, but they had some late game miscues. it ended step causing them indiana had two straight turnovers for the three-point lead in the game's final 30 seconds and then they watched as jaylen brown forced overtime with a clutch triple with seconds left on the clock, and then jayson tatum took over in this game and overtime we finished with 36 points and 12 fords in a 133128 when boston showing they may have finally learned from past mistakes when t

they think president donald trump is the idiot and -- i mean, there are many, many -- it is the jeff duncanndorsement. i have not heard them talk about opening offices. the things you need to do to win a campaign are not hold rallies on the beach on saturday morning where you say tens of thousands are coming, but we will check the numbers with the fire marshal. i do not believe that is what we will hit. the way you win campaigns is you open offices and you knock doors and you hire staff. you organize and democrats in indiana, they have been organizing. they grew their margins in marion county in 2020 and indiana democrats have been targeting that prayer. marion county is where nikki haley did the best. she posted above a 30 point performance in that specific county. to me, if i am a republican strategist -- i cannot even -- if it were me, i would be concerned. >> there is no political grounding right now. i think everyone, whether it is the only talking points they have are the election is going to be stolen again and everybody prepare -- they're worried about this election integrity. i thi

. >> that was lifelong republican from georgia, former georgia lieutenant governor jeff duncan. sort of the engine fueling the numbers i talked about 15% to 33% of republicans voting for nikki haley two months after she dropped out of the race. what do you make of that project? >> well, look, i think donald trump has two major problems. one is he is off message every time he's talking about his victimhood as a defendant in trial. a lot of voters want to hear about angry economic populism. whether it's true or not, it works. and if they stay on message he's doing well. when he's says i'm a victim and you'll be a victim too if you cheat on your taxes, that doesn't work. those early haley voters stay in the haley voter lane. and donald trump is wrong on the issues themselves americans care about. you saw another group emerge yesterday with 40 or 50 members including john boehner, michael steel, cohen, simpson, a whole list of old school republicans who said, look, trump himself. peace through strength, a market-based economy. that is the haley lane. if donald trump isn't ready to r

>> geoff duncan for us this morning. jeff, thank you. i really appreciate. hope to see you what next time you're up in dc thanks, casey. all right. let's turn back now to stormy daniels testimony, which we were discussing there in donald trump's hush money trial yesterday and historic day in the annals of american law, because this morning, stormy daniels took the stand and do what she does best and that's bank donald trump stormy testify for three hours and 44 minutes today or testimony got off to an awkward start. the bailiffs were for an on rolled-up forbes magazine, adult film star stormy daniels testified today and former president trump's criminal hush money trial. so trump technically slept with her again the former president's legal team is trying to convince jurors that the adult film star had a vendetta against trump and was trying to extort him. trump's lawyer aster am i correct that you hate president trump? yes. daniels replied, the lawyer followed up. do you want him to go to jail, right? >> daniels replied, if he is found guilty absolutely aft

870, legislation that includes the advance act, which i co-lead with energy subcommittee chairman jeff duncan, to modernize our nuclear energy policy and to maintain important safety provisions and environmental protections. transitioning to clean energy needs to be an all-of-the-above approach that leverages every aspect of our energy production in the united states. including nuclear. nuclear energy provides nearly 20% of the electricity in the united states. it's also our largest source of carbon-free energy, making up more than half our emissions-free electricity. we know that nuclear energy's not a silver bullet but if we're going to get to 0% carbon emissions by 2050, it must be part of the equation. this bill helps ensure that our approach to nuclear energy is modernized, focusing on safety and environmental protections. i'm glad that my provisions to improve safety measures at nuclear energy facilities, recruit a highly trained and skilled workforce and keep our nuclear regulations to date were included in the bill. these steps will help enhance our nuclear energy supply chain while p

republican lieutenant governor of georgia, geoff duncan, who i should note was among those pressured by trump and his allies to change the 2020 results. >> and jeff just given that you know, have you ever what i'm struck by is that it is such a simple and straightforward question that so many republicans have a difficulty answering these days it was so painful to sit here and listen to all those audio clips have just everybody tying themselves and pretzels i mean, i flipped the script back on ted cruz and say, just spend that hot air that you just spent trying to twist around. and it actually lay out some proof. i mean, we're almost four years into this and there's not one ounce or shred approved that anything happened other than a fair and legal election in georgia and every are everywhere else in the country was or anomaly certainly, but there was never been an election that's been more scrutinized in the georgia election. and look, this is painful to watch. it takes you back to your high school days where somebody wants to be in the cool kids clubs so bad they will do and say anything that eventually they look back and say that was a huge mist

football commentator, geoff duncan, a lifelong republican, he endorsed haley during her primary against trump, and he just recently in a powerful op-ed endorsed president biden jeff. so good to see you. i i'm wondering if you have a little bit of whiplash from the fact that that version nikki haley two. now, what she is saying about supporting and really voting for trump, are you surprised by this? >> well, nikki haley and i are, are certainly going to have to disagree on her supporting donald trump. i do think we both agree that the future of the republican party doesn't include donald trump looking out. but we just have different, different versions of how to get there. i just think four more years of donald trump will continue to create chaos and confusion and, totally destroy the republican party and possibly even destroy our status in the world as a country just because donald trump's of laughing laughing joke at this point, he's proven to be a liar. he's proven to be a criminal. he's proven to be untrustworthy is true, proven to be a cheater. and the list goes on and on and on. i do think this is gonna be more about nikki haley supporters showing up to vote