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jeff flake said i can't win in this environment right now so i'm not going forward with this. do we anticipate the president retaliates against the republicans? he didn't mention them here. but does he retaliate? >> that's a good question. he didn't mention them and maybe they're encouraged by that. but a number of these republicans who voted against him have shown to not care in the past anyway. susan collins of maine, rand paul. they go off and do their own thing quite often. mitt romney, they speak out against the president from time to time. but i think the fear that republicans have, even on twitter, even when he tweets about how he will remember who voted against him or when his people in the white house say the president will not forget this, i think the fear of the president either not supporting them in the next election or perhaps even worse, going after them like he went after jeff flake, is enough to change their minds. >> spoke to a senator this week who was with trump at the white house and they were surprised at how little pressure he put on them. they said it w

former senator no friend of the president jeff flake said he can persuade the republican party. guess what? this failed embarrassment says he can persuade the republican party to vote against president trump. we cannot go another four years this way. if the republican party nominated somebody else that person is just as likely or perhaps more like a two win than the president. >> are you willing to lose this cycle for the republican party because of the principles you are arguing? >> oh yes. lou: the man is a fool. there's no other way to say it. so fool. the man despised by his former constituents cowardly ran from trying to think about a second term let alone run for one. we'll take that up and we hope the other rhinos are working hard to have some fun. ed rollins writer for these quick messages. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunate

david: in addition to paul ryan you have jeff flake, speaking of rinos talking about joe biden, pluggingwhat do you make of that? of the -- these are not exactly never-trumpers but they became never-trumpers. >> ryan became a never-trumper before trump got elected. he was a speaker. and trump ran into problem to end of campaign he walked away, from tried to recommend -- it was nef never a real comfort zo. paul ryan understood tax policy well, and his goal was to chairman of ways and means committee. but reality speakership with boehner left, another weak speaker. he was not a fighter, he never disciplined it is troops. he could not count votes well in the end. the end was day things he was for, time reform -- entitlement reform remember contrary to the base. romney people sort of gone by the way side. it trump's party now, and they are not comfortable. david: who owns or has influence over the democrat party now? this is so fractioned. eric trump on fox news thursday. he made a it clear if it comes to biden and trump, it will be all about track record. >> you run on policy of obama admin

the former republican senator from arizona, jeff flake, is a cbs news contributor.udgets are dead on arrival when they get to congress. i want to ask about something over the weekend. the conversation between two vice presidents. vice president cheney and pence. it was about foreign policy and national security. it was at the american enterprise institute's gathering. this is where the -- this is the republican think tank, or had been. vice president cheney was critical across the board about the trump administration's foreign policy saying it looked more like barack obama's. that's a bigger debate, isn't it? what did you make of that back and forth? >> i'm not sure how much it looks like barack obama's, but it doesn't look like republican foreign policy we've engaged in over the past couple of decades. republicans have long believed in strong american leadership around the globe so this kind of protectionism on trade policy, isolationism on security policy basically going against your allies, that just is foreign to most republicans. so mike pence, while in congres

and republican senator jeff flake hopes another republican will challenge the president in 2020. >> yesi've said that consistently. i hope somebody does, if only to remind republicans what it means to be conservative and what it means to be decent. i hope somebody runs and it won't be me. >> one looking to challenge the president warned of a president trump right here on "hardball" back un2016. p right here on "ha" back un2016. parking. strange forces at work? only if you're referring to gravity-and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ we do whatever it takes to fight cancer. these are the specialists we're proud to call our own. experts from all over the world working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. expert medicine works here. learn more at cancercenter.com. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, every day can begin with flakes. it's a reminder of your struggles with psoriasis. but what if your psoriasis symptoms didn't follow you around? that's why

they have given up because they look at him and i understand why, they look at jeff flake and think a lot of good it did them. if they locked arms and say enough of this stuff, he would back down, but they don't. >> he loves an enemy. i don't know that he would back down, but i will say this is the tragedy of the republican party. it has lost sight of any set of principals that define it. because of that, cannot come together against anybody. the republican party can't come together against the democratic party. it's true. this is really the challenge for the party. i would say even though we spend all of our time talking about trump, this is a challenge for the party as well. incendiary people are leading these two vend rabl institutions. >> later this month, the vice president of the united states, mike pence is going to join lindsey graham for his campaign kickoff. i wonder if mark salter is going to travel down and ask a few questions at the press conference. up ahead, is the president illegally profiting from his washington hotel? that lawsuit was actually being heard in court to

leland: jeff flake had something to say about the 2020 election. one of your personal favorites. whether a favorite to praise or beat up on, we'll let the viewers see after the sound bite. take a listen. >> to boil it down, better for a democrat to win in 2020, if donald trump is the republican nominee, than for donald trump to win. >> yes. leland: reminds me of my time in the middle east with friends like these, who needs enemies. >> my gosh, what an ignorant thing to say. all due respect to former senator jeff flake. what an ignore rapt thing to say. who is going to be the democratic nominee. you're sitting here going i'd rather have kamala harris or cory booker or bernie sanders? who is going to be the democratic nominee and how far out there on the left and how much damage would their policies set back the ideas that hopefully republicans hold for the future of the united states of america? i mean, just who is that person going to be. why would you say something like that before you even know. there's some very radical people right now on the d

ana, ana, from the very first proposal that i made with senator mccann and senator kennedy and jeff flake in 2004, we had 700 pages. you can go back and look at t. the first 400 pages was enforcement, enforcement and enforcement. we believe in enforcement. we also believe that there are laws on the books that say that asylum seekers get to seek asylum in the united states of america. ana, let's go to central america with a plan. we did it after world war ii and rebuilt, rebuilt euro. why is it that there was always money for the contras? why was there money when there was civil war in el salvador? why was there money when there was unrest in guatemala? why did we spend hundreds of millions of dollars for bullets and to arm people and to cause destruction in those nations? why don't we invest in jobs and in humanity in those countries? because we certainly spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the cold war so they could kill each other. >> former congressman louis gutierrez and raphael romo, thank you both for being with us. >>> as the border battle grows, presidential candidate beto o'

when we say going against donald trump has consequences, let's remember, mark sanford, jeff flake, carlos curbelo, mia love. donald trump prefers to have a democrat hold a seat whether in congress or the senate than have a republican who dares ever act or speak against him as mildly as it might be and symbolically as it might be. he's pretty manic when it comes to loyalty tests and the guy can hold a grudge. he might not remember facts but he remembers who crossed him, who was with him and who wasn't with him. the fact that they did this knowing that they were probably going to -- >> they were going to join the list in the little black book -- >> for me, this is a glimmer of hope with the republican party. >> go ahead, dana. >> you need not look any further than tom tillis, anna. he was -- he was so worked up about this that he actually penned an op ed for "the washington post" about it and -- >> what changed? >> exactly what anna said. he's going to be up for re-election and the threat of a primary was dangled in front of him, was, you know -- >> that was dangling over him when he wrote

going to ultimately -- he's setting up right now based on what he's done so far to be more like jeff flake, someone who has said he stands up to the president on issues of morality, he'll stand up to him on issues where they disagree but he hasn't proven yet that he's willing to really put the vote against him yet. and this is such a good test for that issue here because as you said, romney is politically bulletproof in utah. he is untouchable. he's got a six-year term. he's not going to be on the ballot with donald trump ever. he can take this vote if he wants to. and i think that's why people like myself have been hounding him every day in the halls for an answer on, this because he is such an indicator. and so far he hasn't shown he's will to vote the same way he's willing to write. >> go ahead. >> i think he makes such a great point there because if romney comes out and draws that battle line if you will, it may have the impact of stiffening the backbone of some other members in the senate, in the caucus, to stand with him. one of the problems that's been evident is that you don't have

i asked former senator jeff flake about this today, chris. he said it's about fear.he republicans fear the president. he has all the political capital in the party. >> why is it that a guy like the late john mccain would do something maybe a lot of people who aren't republicans believe in, like campaign reform, turn on him with a vengeance because he did that. mccain/feingold. and yet when trump breaks the rules -- i mean, i'm talking about things like fiscal responsibility. post world war ii alliances, which were basically put together by democrats and republicans together. breaking all of that -- breaking all the rules. and yet they don't hold any of it against him. is there any -- i don't know if there's any press -- have you ever seen it before? >> we've never seen it really in the conservative movement or the republican party over the last half century. those conservative principles from buckley, goldwater guided the gop for decades. but because of george w. bush's presidency, the iraq war, the economic collapse, many republican leaders tell me there was a vacuu

jeff flake said joe biden is the guy that could go pull back some of the democrats that flipped thate been obama two-time voters and voted for donald trump, folks in counties like erie county, p.a., bay city, michigan, some parts of wisconsin, florida, the rust belt, but beyond the rust belt, the kinds of voters that you don't need to win as a democrat, but it certainly makes it easier. is that a good case for him to make or is the party somewhere else? >> it's certainly the case his backers have been making. it's the case that backers of other candidates like amy klobuchar have have been making as well and there's been this debate over is the best way to win by attracting some of the voters, you know, white midwestern voters who switched from obama to trump or is it by generating turnout among younger voters, among people of color? i'll be honest, i find that a little bit of a false choice. i think you could probably put together a case for winning with either of those paths, but the safer path is to nominate someone who can do both of those things the way that barack obama did. so

. >> yeah, well, and it's not -- he's not one of the moderates, he's not, you know, the jeff flakes. he's a very conservative guy and the statement goes right at the heart of the problem republicans in the senate have had. which is they've taken a pass on integrity. and this is too much. we have finally found for one member of the senate that what the president does and what the president says is so disrespectful of what we all think are the norms of integrity and john mccain just the latest example. there are, you know, dozen, if not hundreds of examples and he's going to the floor. this is significant some someone's going to do this because for t2 1/2 years they'v stood by silently. will this impact trump? probably not. does it impact the politics that go on in washington? maybe. >> how pathetic that we are even talking about one senator out of 53 republicans. and i guess mitt romney actually made a statement. >> a tweet. >> a tweet that, you know, that pushed back. but how pathetic that 50 republican senators have said nothing about this incredibly disgraceful performance by the p

happened the last couple of years, namely the first name that comes to mind is recently departed jeff flaket and sass', all these that came in this highly touted class of 2014 that will be facing tough elections in 2020. i think the last thing they want and need is to be on the president's bad side, especially the issue of such emotion and visceral residence of the president's base like this one heading into that re-elect. funny your principles on paper can be one thing but when it's time to actually cast the vote and you have the white house knocking on your door and issuing implicit or not so implicit threats your position becomes malleable. >> was that an implicit or explicit threat of a primary challenge in north carolina? >> i worked in the house a couple years. the primary challenges are very real, especially in the house. in a state like north carolina, it's very easy to get on the right or far right of a statewide candidate running in a purple state. let's face it, president trump will go to north carolina when he runs for reelection whether thom tillis votes with him or against him

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