director, richard grinnell just extensively accused biden of 4 and meddling and turkey instructing jeff flake to meet with the opposition candidate in the middle of the election was a terrible mistake. the us must strongly advocate for its policies, but must stay away from picking size and elections are due on knows what you did. this will not benefit us interest. so your plan leaders are also now joining this congratulatory choir. but in the run up to the vote, russell's was dangling the notions of a common market with the e u. n. visa liberalization for turkey. in the u. in front of the turkish voters like it was some kind of an engagement ring, even though they seem more interested in just ringing and car a long to keep helping it out with migrate from africa are hosting nato basis for their never ending wars in africa. and them at least or negotiating the black sea grandiose between russia and ukraine, and a significant chunk of the western press was also explicitly calling in the months before the selection for, or the wind to be dropped, kicked from power, and through western meddling i

when tax cuts was this close to not passing, but mike pence did arm twisting with his old friend jeff flakea, he was the one rallying to support it. and he was never one to take credit for things that he did because he was so deferential to trump. >> can i say one thing on alice's point, scott, and sorry i jumped in on you there. but you talk about all the candidates who have relationships with the evangelical community. and pence, his relationship with that community was why trump put him on the ticket back in 2016. and he became trump's ambassador and trump sort of took that constituency from him. now he is going to have to compete not just with trump, but with scott, with others, hutchinson, others who are going for that same constituency. it's one more complication. if he doesn't win in iowa, with that large, large evangelical community there, he is done. so this is really important to him. >> you know, your point about the weight and reality of trump's legal issues is a good one. but the other side of that equation is does this cause republicans to dig in even more? i mean, if these in

not because they are saying well, liz cheney, adam kinzinger and jeff flake are saying that, sitting in a denise together. >> maybe. maybe they're in laser place and denny's. >> i happen to love denny's. but listen i agree with you wholeheartedly to that's unfortunately the reality this massive fear of what would my life look like if i wasn't in office? >> i actually don't think that's correct here because if they all jumped, this is been the contradiction of the republican party since day one of the trump era of politics. if they all jumped together they would win. they would defeat donald trump. they would defeat this rather evil thread in all politics today, but their inability to not only show that moral courage but also any semblance of coordination is what will potentially, lead more likely than not to yet another donald trump nomination. that's what makes this next presidential election all that much more important. >> powerful thoughts. i disagree with max rose on teams pearls and he shoots in view of denny's but other than that, powerful. stuff we come back after 15 months o