jeff flocken, what was your reaction to the interview with cory nalton and his justification for whate's doing? >> i would say i strongly disagree. this is a case of a bunch of wealthy americans auctioning off the right to kill a race spees and trying to pass it off as conversation, which couldn't be further from the truth. >> john jackson, you're a supporter of cory nalton, why? >> this is what it's all about, the fundamental principal of conversation, that you have to have revenue and incentivize the local people. it has to be done on a local 4re68. it's disingenuous to suggest it's anything other than a conversation effort. >> what i can't stomach and what enrages so many people is the trophy hunting element of what he does. his facebook pages are covered and littered with pages of him beaming away celebrating having killed these animals. and he presumably will do the same thing with this rare and dangerous black rhino. isn't that glorifying in the killing that distresses people. why do people need to do that? and why would you go along with that? >> hunters have a special relation

because jeff flocken from the international fund for animal welfare says honestly it's a farce to say this is being done for conservation. i do agree that there is sometimes a need to manage wildlife population in small areas. but there are less than 5,000 individuals left of the species. instead of killing it they can be moved to a different area, used to bring in photo tourism or ecotourism, something that doesn't actually involve killing the animal. he's an animal welfare expert, one of the world's leading experts. >> that's great. i understand he's an animal welfare expert. i'm going to defer to the scientists at the i.u.n. specialist group for rhinos, the foremost expert in the world. i'm going to defer to 177 nations that are members of cides. to the u.s. fish and wildlife service who are all 100% behind this. i'm going to defer to the wwf, who's also behind this. so i'm glad he feels that way. i did not create this plan, piers. they created this plan. i'm the one that believes in it enough to put my money where my mouth is. i'm not just sitting at home watching a discovery chan