and chief jeff godown the head of the oakland unified school district police department. thank you for joining us. i want to ask you for a concise answer to this. do schools need police officers and chief godown eye start with you. >> i think they need police officers in a measured platform. i know that in oakland we receive numerous calls every day for calls for service from the schools from the principals, the administrative staff. oakland pd is understaffed and overworked. they cannot handle the radio calls. someone has to respond to the schools. we don't walk up and down the hallways, we are responding to the schools itself. >> linnea nelson how do you feel about that? >> too often the childish misbehavior is treated as a crime. the vast majority of police in schools is for minor misconduct for disrupting school or public misconduct rather than a serious threat to personal safety. we believe the much better approach to school safety is more counsellors and mental hith professionals in the schools. >> do you believe that police officers are necessary on campus? >> i do