should not forget it. >> my could, detroit, please go ahead with your personal comments forecast, jeff guinn. >> yes jeff, is really great to hear and listen and i wonder if i lived in arizona i lived in missouri and one thing that struck me about say the situation in tombstone, and the civil war actually brought the west well because of the conflict there you have the union soldiers and cowboys who texans i think that even the father your father was an abolitionist. as we just seems like the war never from the border states, to 20 years later until the generation just kind of died out. >> you know, that's a great observation hundred is one that is critical and thank you for raising it. up until the civil war, most of the pioneers heading out west, are coming from the northeast because there are so little available land they want to go they want to become landholders and farms and ranches. after the civil war, the majority of the people who are coming most to make their fortunes, our former citizens of the confederacy who want to get away from the unions. and so now suddenly, in the southwes

jeff guinn, any comments for nancy? jeff: it is wonderful we have people who not only care about history but about an active part of it. good for her. thank you for sharing that story about the emergence in. if lady bird had been involved -- in charge of either the agencies in waco, we would not have the tragedy. she would've been more thoughtful. peter: you live in fort worth. we were talking about the george w. bush library and the lbj library in austin. you told a fascinating story that i think nancy and others might like to hear. jeff: people always ask when i got interested history. one important moment was when i was a sophomore at the university of texas at austin, they begin building the lbj library and campus. lyndon johnson retired to his ranch and he would come on campus by helicopter with his assistant, tourist curves goodwin, -- doris kearns goodwin, and some family or friends. he would take them onto is talking about different things. johnson would allow some of us college students, maybe three or water any

things to so many different people. >> host: cornelius in alexandria louisiana iran with author jeff guinn. >> caller: hello, jeff and peter. god bless both of y'all. now jeff, i want to bring up having an african-american and you know the story of -- i try to i'm sorry, you broke up. >> host: cornelius, can you keep your mouth close to your phone? >> guest: can you hear me know? >> host: please go ahead. >> caller: okay. do you know the story of the lone ranger? >> guest: yes, i do. >> caller: look, there is a guide made bass reads and he was an african-american marshal in the oklahoma territory and stuff, and that's what the real lone ranger was based upon their si smithsonian museum show about that and they had clayton moore's granddaughter or daughter other talking about that heat had an engine companin and he worked with a hanging judge and the ultimate territory. but he was an escaped slave and everything after the civil war and stuff and he had hundred headed towards oklahoma and they say he wase greater than bat masterson and stuff. i would love -- traveled let's get a comment from

jeff guinn any comments for nancy and ames? >> i think it's wonderful to get people to only care about history to bat to be an active part of it. good for her and thank you for sharing your story about lady bird johnson. lady bird had been in charge in waco we would have never had the tragedy. >> you and i were talking about the george w. bush library and theg lbj library in austin hada time in the sold -- told the sad story of the nancy's and other market to her. people asked when did you get interested in history and one important moments when i was a sophomore at the university of texas in austin they began building the lbj library on campus and lyndon johnson retired to his ranch in the hill country and came to campus by helicopter with his sister doris kearns goodwin and family and friends and he would take them on tours. johnson would allow some of us college students, maybe three or four at a time to join his group and over a dozen times i was able to follow landon johnson the ground the museum and hear him talking about