at one event, we had warren buffett pushed rupert murdoch and jeff hazel to talk about succession. bezos was silent, didn't want to talk about it. murdoch said my mother is 97, she's doing fine. and buffett said i've heard of managing outside the box before, but people don't race to that conclusion. >> i've got two quickies i need you to help me with. amy shulman, pfizer. this woman was going to be one of the most high powered people in pharma. if not in industry period. she gets kicked out of her job after announcing that she was going the take the job on january 1st. do you have any insight so what happened there? >> pfizer is the world's largest farm suitan california. jeff kind ler was brilliant to put together the deal with them. the board room machinations are ridiculous. it's a shame. i think this is a company which has needed to calm down and wrestle through some of their weird board dynamics with predecessors. >> and if you were on the board of ford, not microsoft, ford, would you let this whole alan mulally story play out the way it has? >> well, the real drama, it is a m