on my way out of oracle, jeff henley, who just retired as the chairman and who was the cfo at the time me into his office, said, "marc, you know, it's a good thing you are leaving oracle." and i said, "whoa, jeff, why is that?" and he goes, "well, it's going to be hard for us to do a brand-new technology model and a brand-new business model," because everything from the way you deliver the software to the way you recognize the revenue is completely different in cloud computing. emily: you and larry ellison have had a rivalry over the years and more recently a partnership. what is your relationship really like behind the scenes? marc: larry and i have a great relationship. i just saw him on sunday night where, you know, it's -- we're always hugging and kissing. [laughter] emily: frienemies? marc: frienemies. we have been friends for 30 years. so that's been very exciting. and look, i do not think -- i have had some great mentors in my life. people, you know, who i've been thrilled to have. of course, my parents, my grandparents. but also, i've had, like you mentioned, steve jobs, colin