joining us now is jeff horowitz, reporter at the associated press who first broke the news about the ing the buried and salacious information that it had not published. and now broken the news about ami's finances. mr. horowitz, thanks very much for being here. >> glad to be back. >> when we spoke a few days ago about your last scoop about the safe, you suggested it might be interesting or it might help us fill in our understanding of what's going on here to have a better understanding about ami's financial situation. how it is running as a business. now that you've obtained this information saying that things appear to be sort of dire there, how does that help you understand what's going on with that company and how it relates to the president? >> unfortunately, it leaves me with a pretty big mystery still which is why ami would be spending its fairly tight money, $150,000 on karen mcdougal allegedly, to beak do something that is not going to boost its circulation and even didn't sell all that well to readers. i will have to say that congress attacking hillary clinton may have added

joining us now is the reporter who broke the story, jeff horowitz. thanks for being with us tonight. i appreciate you joining us on short notice. >> no problem. >> is this a safe that only contained damaging and or suppressed information about donald trump or was this a safe where they kept all of the company treasures? >> no, this was sort of the high value catch and kill stuff. there may have been other things in there. when the "national enquirer" wanted to suppress a story and trade upon the influence it gained by having suppress aid story, that's where those documents would apparently go. this was a long-standing practice. we're talking like a literal vault with a combination lock on it. and that was sort of where both trump stuff and things about other celebrities that the "national enquireenquirer" bou dirt on and buried it, that's where all ha stuff went. >> from your story it's clear that a number of people knew about this. obviously, it was, i don't know if they had it hidden behind like a fake book case or something. it sounds like somethi

jeff horowitz.augural knee pushed back hard on questions about whether the unprecedented $107 million budget for the trump inauguration was fraud with cost overruns and misspending. an official assures them that spending was both restrained and monitored. in court last week, that same official, rick gate, acknowledged he personally may have pocketed some of the inaugural knee's money. gates admitted to manafort's lawyers in open court that he possibly wrongfully submitted personal expenses to the knee for reimbursement. only a footnote about tax fraud, extra marital affairs and embezzlement, it raises questions how well they tracked their own spending. it's not clear how much he pocketed or whether the testimony will prompt the knee to review its spending. when paul manafort left the trump campaign, his deputy stayed on through the duration for the transition and was a senior official on the trump inauguration which was wildly mismatched in terms of the amount of money they raised and the amount of

i want to bring in jeff horowitz, a reporter for the associated press, and you broke this incredible story about david pecker keeping documents in a safe. what do we know about what exactly was in there? >> we know this was sort of where all the catch and kill documents were kept -- >> not just on donald trump necessarily? >> yes, exactly. so not just on donald trump. definitely there were things related to trump. and, you know, the karen mcdougal situation. there were other things as well. it's not clear we know what all of those things are. the a.p. reported one to a former door man at a trump property who was paid i believe $35,000. we don't know what else there is in there. in addition to that, it was other celebrities as well. part of the national enquirer's long-standing business practice, under david pecker. the publication would basically pay for dirt that it did not intend to use and then left the people to pay for the -- >> why would you pay for something? why do you catch and kill? what do you get on the other side? is it potentially information that you could use in let's

the real work is going on behind the scenes, though, with michael horowitz the inspector general looking into these things. jeff. he doesn't really do anything as best i can tell. the inspector general is diving into this. >> bill: another tweet. paul manafort worked for ronald reagan, bob dole and many other highly prominent and respected political leaders. he worked for me for a very short time. why didn't the government tell me he was under investigation. the old charges have nothing to do with collusion. he is trying to clarify what the manafort trial is all about? >> he is being factual there. manafort has a history there. i used to say that hey, it's not the government's responsibility to tell a candidate. the more i've thought it through we protect presidential candidates and give them secret service protection, we give them c.i.a. briefings. if somebody is under investigation i think they have an obligation to tell that candidate. >> bill: we'll see where this goes. another topic for you. what will happen with brett kavanaugh? chuck schumer is looking for a million pages of documents. they're saying tha