and jeff johnson called and he put a name in. he said i have a better idea, he said nike. >> rose: did everybody instantly say yes. >> no, no, it was not a eureka moment, i said there are a really lot of bad names in there. i guess this is the best we can do. >> rose: what has been the hardest part of it though? >> oh, i think you know, we had a lot of-- difficult moments. i mean i suppose there's several down moments in the history's journey. >> rose: like? >> the one that comes to mind the most is when i got kicked out of the second bank and they called me that night after telling me i no long her a bank, they said are you so far overdrafted, we had to notify the fbi. they told me that on friday at 5:00. i said i wonder what is going to happen on monday. >> and what happened? >> the fbi never did anything. and the bank was repaid instantly. and we got bailed out by a japanese trading company which was not a well-known company in the united states but it was the sixth largest company in japan. and they were wonderful with it. an

[laughter] jeff johnson, and after everybody with her name in, we did not have a name.id i have nike. especially me, not a eureka moment. there are a lot of bad names in there, i guess this is best we could do. charlie: what has been the hardest part? phil: you know, we had a lot of difficult moments. i suppose there are several down moments in the history of the journey. but the one that comes to mind the most is when i got kicked out of the second bank, and they told me i no longer had a bank. they said we are so far over drafted we had to notify the fbi. they told me that at 5:00 on friday. what will happen on monday? charlie: what did happen? phil: the fbi never did anything. the bank was repaid instantly. we got bailed out by a japanese trading company, not a well-known company in the states, but it was the six-largest company in japan. they were wonderful with us, really helping us through the early years. charlie: still an affinity with japan? phil: totally. the company started there, had financing, i like the food and the scenery. charlie: there is also been eno

tax and with big business, its usual adversary, the unions, though state labor council president jeff johnsonent environmentalist. >> during the winter we have been struck with repeated floods and mudslides, in the summer wes have droughts and forest fires. our shellfish industry has left the state and gone to hawaii because the acid levels in the ocean has risen so much. >> reporter: but doesn't that mean that you should embrace anything that would help climate change and counteract it? >> no it doesn't, particularly if you embrace a measure that's actually going to send us down the wrong path. we've got an energy intensive company, kaiser aluminum out in spokane, eastern part of our state. it's the most efficient aluminum rolling mill in the world, right? with just a carbon price they become less competitive with aluminum makers in other parts of the states, in other parts of the world. o >> reporter: and that's the key issue for a labor leader right, you're always trying to protect jobs?u' >> i'm trying to protect jobs of the individuals but also the revenues of the community in spokane an

jeff: the impeachment of andrew johnson, in your judgment, was the low rate for the american presidency- the low point for the american presidency? william: yes, i think so, at least the low point in the 19th century. we have yet to see whether the 21st century will bring us a lower point. jeff: what was the low point in the 20th century? william: i would think that, if we are talking about power of a president, the two low points would be the 1920's and, to a lesser degree, the 1970's, the period of ford and of carter. if you think of the low point with respect to the behavior of american presidents, you would almost certainly -- it would almost certainly be that of richard nixon and the actions that resulted in his being driven from office. jeff: if the office was inconsequential 100 some odd years ago, how is it -- how has it changed since then? as it become more consequential? -- has it become more consequential? thatam: the single answer would be most compelling is that the president of the united states has his finger on the nuclear button. sends a budgetow , pieces ofcongress leg

but the other names weren't very good either and jeff johnson came up with nike and said i don't knowi like it too much, but it's better than the other names. turned out to be pretty good. >> along the way you did face a number of hurdles, japanese businessmen, bankers who wouldn't loan you money. >> right. >> yen fluctuations, which i enjoyed reading about. what was the biggest challenge in those early years? >> yeah, probably the biggest -- well, two huge ones. one getting kicked out of the second bank and not being able to pay -- we were supposed to pay $1 million and i walked in that friday afternoon and says i can't pay you anything and i need to borrow another billion. and they said yes and kept us alive. and that's really kind of one of the dramatic stories of the early years. then the other thing was fighting with our own government about what the duties would be applied on a retro active basis. >> that's where i wanted to go because the red tape in some ways has only gotten worse. >> yes, i think it's true. >> is america still the best place to launch a business? >> well, i d

paul: i argue in defense of the history jeff the is referring to, that it was disputed. it was president johnson goingately said we're not to want to enforce this law but president nixon who came pained on a law and order campaign, eventually i ended up as you a friend arguing as of the court. why say law professor arguing in defense of a statute. the and i think that was one of the unfortunate things that ultimately set the stage for the ruling against it. if the clinton administration solicitor general to defend the law, perhaps things might have come out differently. bit of what chief july rehnquist wrote in the miranda, e hold that being a constitutional decision of this court may not be in effect overruled by an act of congress, and we decline to overrule miranda ourselves. e therefore hold that miranda and its progeny in this court admissibility made of custodial made during interrogation in both state and federal courts. jeffrey: they have repeatedly said miranda is not a constitutional decision and suggested he would come up to overruling it and he shocks everyone by 7-2 opposing it. thi

johnson says this villanova team is beatable. they will have to prove it tomorrow night in the biggest game of their lives. we are live in houston, at the final four, jeff skversky for channel six "action news". >> so exciting, jeff, thanks very much. >>> we will have much more on the final four frenzy tonight on "action news" sports sunday. 97.5 the fanatic mike missanelli will join me to discuss all things nova as well as rest of the week in sports tonight after "action news" at 11:00. >>> one thing we will talk about are the flyers in pittsburgh for penguins final home game of the season. nothing like in state rivalry that matches the two hottest teams in the eastern conference. penguins got the best of this one early, sidney crosby beat steve mason in the first period. sixty-four, later while announce ago this goal, pittsburgh scored another. this time it was bow bennet. pitberg beaten flyers both times they have played and flyers trailing three to nothing in the second period. >>> that is it, for sports. >> yes. >> yes. >> wanted to hear buzzer. >>> up next on "action news" a chilly morning for hundreds of the run hours took part in the america's o