and this is jeff johnston, who's still here at the museum. looking at the data. and we would go out at 6:00 a.m. from hatteras. and all day we would come back at 6:00, 7:00 p.m. in the evening after a 12-hour day on the water for 20 minutes on the site given all the other logistics and decompression that we had to do. but we did get? good data. and it was an experimental device. so i wasn't -- we weren't confident to tell anybody they should plan around this, but there were sonar indications that suggested there were a lot of big heavy metal objects buried in the sediment in the turret. one place i never thought i would be then would be inside the "monitor's" turret, where i came and jeff johnston invited me in there. and again, for someone who had dealt with this ship as essentially a traditional historical topic, which means documents to most historians, to be standing there on top of those big heavy rails and seeing the dents in the armor, and i don't know if you can see, it's a little bit of a blurry picture, but i certainly felt like a kid in a candy store a

and this is jeff johnston, who's still here at the museum. looking at the data. and we would go out at 6:00 a.m. from hatteras. and all day we would come back at 6:00, 7:00 p.m. in the evening after a 12-hour day on the water for 20 minutes on the site given all the other logistics and decompression that we had to do. but we did get? good data. and it was an experimental device. so i wasn't -- we weren't confident to tell anybody they should plan around this, but there were sonar indications that suggested there were a lot of big heavy metal objects buried in the sediment in the turret. one place i never thought i would be then would be inside the

came and jeff johnston invited me in there. and again, for someone who had dealt with this ship as essentially a traditional historical topic, which means documents to most historians, to be standing there on top of those big heavy rails and seeing the dents in the armor, and i don't know if you can see, it's a little bit of a blurry picture, but i certainly felt like a kid in a candy store at that point. and to just get a sense of the sheer scale of the turret, which is very hard to do from the numbers and even from the photographs, which now the museum is really good at giving you that sense. and also just how heavy and mechanical and sort of imposing that environment was and how really it's quite an intimidating kind of site. and this was without the guns in there. and to imagine actually the guns in there was -- you could understand why people like keeler reacted the way that they did. one of the things that struck me most, though, in the past ten years about the monitor was the work that they've done here in the museum wit