now jeff kogan, is it like director of the climate solutions lab, brown university, he joins in some from the u. s. state of rhode island. jeff, what did you make of those hearings? thanks for having me. on 1st, i thought it was a big day for the, for executives of the major oil companies to appear before congress. and set the stage for some of the discussion that's going on with the budget bill for more climate action in the united states. and there was a continuing message from the oil executives of the kind of and denial and deflection that we've heard, unfortunately before from those companies. but this is much stronger language from certainly the democrats here, they are in effect saying we have a smoking gun. we have your own research, we have your own denials. you did deny the you did deny climate change. so how much further is this going to go? right, so one of the key moments today i thought was when one of the congressmen, our representative ro, connor asked at the current ceo of exxon about what a previous seo of exxon had said. right. and that previous seo had said he had

jeff kogan is the director of the climate solutions law at brown university. he says potential investors will be looking at possible lawsuits against the energy companies. the chair woman of the house for a host oversight committee today said at the end of the session, look, i'm going to move forward with subpoenas for some of the documents that we haven't received from the companies. they were asked to voluntarily provide them and they refused to do so. and so the peanut are coming and that starts to set the stage for potential future litigation into investors. of course should be paying attention to this and seeing the kind of risks that the owners of the major oil and gas assets are now facing due to public scrutiny. when one of the congressmen representative recada asked the current ceo of exxon about what a previous ceo of exxon had said. right. and that previous he had said he had denied that there was a link between fossil fuels and global warming. and so when the currency of exxon with ask today about that, he simply refused to admit that that was a mi