harvey nichols, john lewis, and bloomingdale's and sax doing very well. >> is it all jeff bezos' faultlingly right to the mother, amazon? >> you've got great department stores, where you have great leaders. where you have real estate people starting with bob campo to the jcpenney people two years ago, you don't have great department stores. >> we're looking at leadership, but also basic economics. in particular, if the department stores aren't doing as well, you've still got massive retailers like saturn and aldi in particular, expanding all over the world. that's a model that's working. >> brendan, you're right. they ran wal-mart out of continental europe. they're giving wal-mart fits in the u.k., where the sector really struggled. >> leslie, here's a tale of two cities. macy's, bring up the chart for lundgren and company. what a success it's been. t is a moon shoot there. there's another chart of burt flickinger, leslie, really not all that good, is it? >> absolutely. macy's, what they can do is offer a wide plethora of services to the consumer that comes into the store. jcpenney is