i would like to introduce doctor jeff lieberman, chair of the psychiatry department at columbia university in the past president of the american psychiatric association. advance the understanding of the geology and treatment of schizophrenia and related psychotic disorders and has authored and co-authored over 600 papers, written or edited 11 books and mental illness, psychopharmacology and psychiatry and is the recipient of many national awards. in 2000 he was elected to the national academy of sciences institute of medicine, and during his term as president of the american psychiatric association he actively contributed to government policy and legislation including the mental health parity and addiction equity act, the patient protection and affordable care act, the families and mental health crises act and was a visible a visible spokesperson for the media on mental illness and psychiatry. recently in this last year he published "shrinks", which we will discuss here tonight. one quick word, everyone has a copy of the book in their chair. when we finish the dialogue in here we will move

lieberman for his book and wise words. >> thank you. [applause] >> just to remind everybody, a special thank you to jeff and bob, a really, really great conversation to remind everybody we are set up outside, you can get your books signed. i'm sure dr. lieberman would love to sign your book and there's refreshments outside as well. so please move to the area where you came in and we will continue the conversation. so thank you so much and let's continue. [applause] >> well, good morning. it's a great privilege for me to be able to do that. i normally teach at unc chapel hill, which is not that far at least by airplane and trek to be here today with mary to talk about her terrific new book which is called madison's hand revising the constitutional convention. so i'm going to talk to mary for roughly an hour, but you'll also have the chance to write down questions. they'll be coming through give i don't go the chance to jot down questions on index cards. just as a little bit of background -- >> louder, please. >> yeah, sorry. it's also miced but we are here today with mary sarah bilder. mary is a professor of law and distinguished scholar at boston