author jeff quinn. you open your most recent book, waco, with this quote from rick perlstein, the historian. a fog of cross-cut motives and narratives, the complexity that defies storybook simplicity at a that is usually the way history happens. i think the quote is the most cogent of ever heard. rick does a tremendous job himself and it's true. know historic event happens in a vacuum. it's tied to many other things. and that's the fascination in research and writing on narrative, nonfiction, history. what i read a quote from you as well, and this is from 2021 in the cleburne times review. a lot of people no longer want to buy nonfiction to learn things. they want nonfiction books to reflect what they already believe. want books to reinforce their opinions. they want books that tell them everything they believe is absolutely right and that the other side is even worse than they thought. if you take a look at the bestseller list for nonfiction, for the last several years, there's three categories. genera

now, here's more from author jeff quinn on the lessons of waco. until all, we start using history properly. where keep terrible tragedy from becoming ongoing failure by really paying attention to the facts and not the mythology. that's only what we're going to start to get a handle on things, folks, because it's just it's still coming more and more. more. and the only way to stop it is to see where it started and try to learn from that. and i still think we can. and finally, david jackson of usa today, what do you think the legacy of waco is. it's a good question. it showed that there are there are people out there who really are fearful of the federal government to conspiracy theorists. if you really feel like the federal government is out to get them for whatever reason, whether it's over gun ownership or religious belief or anything else. and it's it was it was it was a leading indicator of this anti-government that we still see in politics today leading up to and including the election of president trump and its continued popular with many of

enjo author jeff quinn. you open your most recent book, waco, with this quote from rick perlstein, the historian. a fog of cross-cut motives and narratives, the complexity that defies storybook simplicity at a that is usually the way history happens. i think the

at the tucson festival of books in arizona and our guest is historian and investigative reporter jeff quinn. -- jeff guinn. we have talked about several of his books and we will go through a couple more in a minute. we want to make sure you have a chance to get involved in the program as well. we will be taking your phone calls this afternoon along with your text messages and any social media comments you would like to make. 202 is area code for all of our numbers. 748-8201 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones. if you want to send a text message, include your first name and a if you would. you can send it to this number 202748 8903. we will scroll through our social media sites. remember, @booktv is our handle. just -- jeff guinn, we will get to a couple other books. i want to go from jonestown to your most recent book "waco". february 1993. what happened? jeff: david karesh, formerly vern and wayne howell, and the branch davidians lived in a large sprawling house they called mount carmel, a hill outside waco texas. they pretty much keep to themselves. they literally believe e