jeff clark, jeff rosen's subordinate played a key role in this. who is jeff clark? why was he involved? >> he was a justice department official. he headed the environmental natural resources division near the end of the administration. he was also promoted to be the acting head of the civil division, the division that litigates the united states's position in courts. unbeknownst to all the other officials he had been in contact with president trump. we know he was put in touch with the president by representative scott perry of pennsylvania and others. nobodies in the justice department understood what those conversations were about, didn't know they were happening until the end of december when jeff clark started to approach the acting attorney general, the acting deputy attorney general and others asking what the justice department could do to publicly declare the results of the election invalid. this was a shock to his colleagues. they felt they had remember vetted these claims. they were on every front pushing back against white house efforts to get them to make

the attorney general, jeff rosen at the time. hard donoghue at the time. and the guy who wrote it, jeff clark, the head of the civil division, at the time. had rosen and donoghue agreed with clark that they should sign this and send it, think about what that would have meant. there, of course, would have been a national clamor that the u.s. justice department had declared the election to be corrupted, potentially fatally so. the georgia republican legislature, if trump was right -- if -- if trump was right that they were onboard with this, they're on our side. and they -- if he was right, they would have tried to call themselves into special session to -- to, what, try to recall the state's biden electors from the electoral college. instead, consider whether the other slate, meaning the trump slate, should have been sent, instead. so, jeff clark sent over this draft letter, dated december 28th. he also sent over an e-mail, accompanying the letter, to the attorney general and the deputy attorney general. in that e-mail, he spelled

absolutely horrifying and dramatic detail that jeff rosen described made it all the more real to us.n realtime. anybody standing up to the president in the oval office, the wake of that office and the importance of that historic moment, they really had very important role in history and i must say, the seriousness of it was conveyed very importantly during the interview. >> obviously this is important for history. in terms of accountability, both the justice department and for potentially the former president, there is the question of what happens to this information. we expect that presumably -- will release the transcripts. there might be some report at some point. i was struck through the testimony that you said you see the prospect for criminal charges here. does that mean you are expecting your committee to make a credible -- criminal referral? >> we have to go forward with our investigation and of course they will decide what witnesses have to be proof sued. they will testify on wednesday but there are great many others who had positions of public trust, and donald trump uses a

memorializesed by another top justice department official, is that trump brings up the idea of replacing jeff rosens other guy, jeff clark, is pretty great, maybe he should run the department. officials say to him, you can have whatever leadership you want but it will not change the outcome. from what i've been told in my reporting, he was obsessed with whether or not he could overturn the results. >> here is also what senator blumenthal told us about whether the doj can now take action against trump. let's listen to them. >> i want to put aside talking about specific individuals. but i will say, as a former united states attorney and a state attorney general for 20 years, there is a real potential here for criminal charges. there are also some officials who did his bidding. and there should be consideration of criminal charges for them and others who may have been complicit. >> so this is a two-part question, but speaking to what the senator was saying, from your reporting, are there any other targets of this investigation? also from what you're learning here, are there any potential criminal char

michael: yeah, about a year ago, our district attorney, jeff rosen, created a lot of criminal justicee of the reforms that he created was the establishment of a worker exploitation task force. the reason we created it was because we were starting to see that when companies were willing to defraud either through taxes or defraud through insurance, they were also defrauding their people, meaning they were working them too much and not paying them or they were threatening them when they were hurt. so this reform was to focus on the human toll of fraud investigations. damian: the misconception probably is, "oh, it might happen here, it might happen there." you're saying that it's more prevalent than we might think. michael: yes, shockingly, it's-- we get referrals daily of different companies that are working their workers more than 40 hours a week and not paying them overtime. paying them in cash so they do not have to pay the taxes or pay the unemployment benefits. we're receiving referrals from many different industries and companies here in santa clara county. damian: and they're doin

this is from that unsent letter and i quote here, this evening after acting attorney general jeff rosen over the course of the last week reportedly refused the president's direct instructions to utilize the department of justice law enforcement powers from proper ends. the president removed jeff from the department. rosen actually survived the meeting so the letter wasn't sent but about half a dozen officials had signalled they'd resign if rosen were fired. a nixon style saturday night massacre all over again. we didn't know how close we came. we really didn't. there are major developments tonight on covid to tell you about. the biden administration working on a plan to mandate vaccinations for nearly every foreign visitor to the u.s. as defense secretary lloyd austin is expected to make vaccines mandatory for active duty troops. the highly contagious delta variant makes up more than 90% of the cases in this country. just look at this time lapse from the cdc. that sea of red is the delta variant spreading over the past month. look at that. with concerns about delta on the rise, former p

that was jeff rosen. ically was talking about was a subordinate of both of these men. a man named jeffrey clark who was sort of at the number three level at the justice department. an environmental lawyer who was trying to get the justice department to substantiate these election fraud claims as well. trying to get the justice department to take steps publicly to support what trump wanted. now those five episodes we know a little bit of the details of those, but we don't actually know any new information that may have been presented from jeff rosen or richard donahue to the committee. that was something that dick durbin, the senate judiciary chairman, declined to expand on this morning, but this is what he did say to dana on cnn. >> just how directly personally involved the president was. the pressure he was putting on jeffrey rosen, it was real. very real. and it was very specific. this president's not subtle. the former president. he's not subtle when he wants something. it's a good thing for america tha

he said in an e-mail, to jeff rosen and rich donahue, who was the general attorney at the time.hould get it out as as soon as possible. personally, i see no valid downsides to sends out this letter. richard donaghue said, there is no chance that i would sign this letter or anything reprmotely le this. and rosen said, i confirmed again today that i am not prepared to sign such a letter. clark ended up not getting the job, rosen remained on the job until president biden was inaugurated on january 20th. but, wolf, it really just goes to show you the efforts beyond what we know the president was doing and his lawyers were doing, some of these extraordinary crazy claims that they were making inside the justice department. these officials, who were basically standing tall, were trying to prevent chaiyasombat -- chaos from ensuing. >> i'm glad they did. evan perez with excellent, excellent reporting. david axelrod is with us, cnn legal and national security analyst. carrie cordero is with us also. what do you think about laying this groundwork for a coup? >> to the extent there is anyo

of course before jeff rosen, bill barr had already very openly said that these claims, you know, werewe've now read in books how bill barr explained that. and i think it's also going to be coming out, you know, in the january 6th committee that his own white house counsel's office, pat cipollone and others in the counsel's office also told him that these allegations were ridiculous. at the middle of all of this is mark meadows, who was facilitating this all along, who i think needs to be somebody who is subpoenaed, all of his documents, his records, his phone records and his role in this with georgia as well as the justice department. it was highly inappropriate because the people who should have been talking to the justice department, and i was a senior official at the justice department back in the bush administration, the people who should have been talking to the justice department about anything would have been the white house counsel's office. so it's very telling that other people were involved because the white house counsel had to have understood that this was inappropriate.

. >> reporter: prosecutor lee and district attorney jeff rosen describe the horrible event that happened here on last friday morning. >> dragged the eight-year-old victim where he sexual sexually violated her. she was able to get help after this act was completed and asked her grandfather for assistance. >> within hours, police arrested dupre horn of stockton. >> this individual's history does not have anything regarding sexual misconduct or sexual assault other than weapon charges. it is some what concerning to us because this is a heinous crime with a very young victim and so we are bringing this information to the public today to see if there are additional victims. >> reporter: the focus is helping the child heal and regain a sense of safety. >> i recognize the long-term effects this has not only on the child who's violated but on her family and on their friends and what it does to somebody's sense of self in terms of secure. >> reporter: the suspect faced eight felony count including rape, kidnapping and burglary. in san jose, nbc bay area news. >>> turning to a demonstration in dow

administration to say, what can i tell investigators because, in general, former officials like jeff rosenlowed to talk about conversations they had with the president. they're not allowed to talk about executive branch discussions. those things are covered by privilege. rosen did need to get an okay from the justice department. he needed officials to say, hey, listen, we are not going to invoke executive privilege, and you do what you will with that freedom. he immediately reached out personally to the inspector general of the justice department, michael horowitz and said, what do you need from me? he went in as quickly as he could and then, y he did speak to the senate judiciary committee for seven hours. now that says to me he feels he has a story to tell, but he feels something happened that was not right and that he does have some fear that the trump team would have moved to block his testimony because what he's provided to investigators is a road map and several more threads upon which they can pull. he's giving them information they can build on as they try to better understand what

michael wittington: para nosotros, el fiscal del distrito, el fiscal jeff rosen, él estableció muchasjillo: ¿y cuál, cuál es un ejemplo de una explotación de los trabajadores? michael wittington: hay varios tipos, pero yo voy a dar ejemplos de dos; un ejemplo de la explotación de los trabajadores, es cuando usted trabaja para una compañía, y ellos te pagan en efectivo o cash, normalmente, pensamos, es un beneficio, ellos están pagándome en efectivo, pero qué aprendimos aquí, cuando una compañía está pagando a un trabajador en efectivo, ellos no están pagando los beneficios para este empleado, o ellos están robando a este empleado, porque ellos no están pagando over time o dinero extra, para trabajar más de 40 horas en una semana; y este tipo de explotación, hemos visto mucho este año. damián trujillo: ¿por qué piensa que hay, ha habido más este año, este tipo de explotación laboral? michael wittington: yo, yo no puedo decir por qué está pasando más, o es más que otros años, pero este año, cuando hicimos nuestro equipo especial en contra de esta explotación, invitamos a otros departame

on saturday, the number one person, the ex-acting attorney general, jeff rosen, he spoke for seven hours rosen specifically was talking about five key episodes where a su porbordinate of the men was trying to act out of the chain of command at the justice department to push election fraud claims that he held that were in line with president trump's. now, it's an open question at this time whether jeff clark was acting on his own or taking specific directions from the white house. that is something we know the committees on the hill will be asking about. but what we did learn over the weekend after both of those interviews with donahue and rosen is that the senate judiciary committee chairman spoke to dana bash. he didn't provide details about new information that was shared, but he did have a key takeaway. here's what he told dana. >> just how directly personally involved the president was, the pressure he was putting on jeffrey rosen. it was real. very real. and it was very specific. this president is not subtle when he wants something, the former president. he's not subtle when he want

jeff rosen spoke with the senate judiciary committee this weekend for seven hours behind closed doorsew york times" reporting that rosen told congressional investigators that one of his deputies, jeffrey clark, tried to help the former president subvert the results of the 2020 election. ali vitali has following this for us. we're learning more about this, but what can you tell us? what more do you know about this and next steps here, of course? >> it's all recall le stunning, yasmin. even though the president is no longer in the oval office, no longer even in washington, clearly there's still so much to learn about what he was doing in the final weeks between the time he lost the 2020 presidential election and the time he actually left the oval office on inauguration day for joe biden. what we're learning here is not just his former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen testified behind closed doors for multiple hours. we're also learning thinks deputy, richard donahue also testified. those are two key people that had contact with the white house and other officials during that key pe

on saturday the number one person, the x-acting attorney general jeff rosen spoke for seven hours with the committee and rosen specifically was talking about five key episodes where a subordinate of the two men, a man leading the environment section of law at the doj was trying to act out of the chain of command at the justice department to push election fraud claims that he held that were in line with donald trump's. now it's an open question at this time whether jeff clark was acting on his own or taking specific directions from the white house or trump. that is something that we know that the judiciary committee and other committees on the hill will be asking about, but what we did learn over the weekend after both of those interviews with donahue and rosen, is that the senate judiciary committee chairman dick durbin spoke to dana bash. he deparidn't provide new information. >> how directly the president was involved. the pressure he was putting on jeffrey rosen, it was real. very real. it was very specific. this president is not subtle. the former president. he isn't subtle when he

trump actually won the election or there was fraud and the undermining the acting attorney general, jeff rosen, as he tries to hold the line against a white house that is pushing the justice department to publicly say the election was corrupt, to provide that veneer of an alarnative reality as trump said in those notes you cited, he and republican allies in the congress could use to build a stampede from overturning election results. quite an out of character role for when he appeared to be up until that point. >> and what's striking about the letter we now have is trump is sort of plodding around shaking the tree wherever he can, but this letter lays out a kind of fringe constitutional theory, but who knows perhaps a defensible one which is that state legislators are endowed by the constitution with quote plenary power to control their electors, and it's a road map very explicitly to these states with some rationale from the department of justice saying not just hey go find me these votes but here's how. >> seeing the letter is quite striking. it is as you say a road map. and i think it does

this testimony over the weekend about trump and how much he actually pressured the acting a.g., jeff rosena listen. >> how directly personally involved the president was. the pressure he was putting on jeffrey rosen. it was real. very real. it was very specific. this president is not subtle when he wants something -- former president is not subtle when he wants something. it's a good thing for america that we had a person like rosen in that position who withstood the pressure. >> senator durbin saying this afternoon that the next witness on their list is the former u.s. attorney yes general, b.j. pock. pock resigned abruptly right after that taped phone call came out of trump pressuring georgia secretary of state to just find him more votes. so there's a lot of questions as to what pock new, what pressure he was facing. senator durbin hoping to get at that. >> another reason why this january 6th select committee is so crucial for us to get to the facts about what happened, what led up to the insurrection and what was happening behind the scenes. i assume these people who are interviewing b

how trump won the election, or there was fraud, and it is undermining the active attorney general jeff rosen as he tries to hold the line against a white house that is cruciate in the justice department to say the election was corrupt to provide the alternative reality that trump and republican allies can build a stampede to overturn the election results. -- >> when striking about the lawyer -- the letter we now have, trump is plotting around shaking the tree wherever he can. this letter lays out a french constitutional theory, but who, knows perhaps state legislators are endowed by the power to contribute to electors. it's a roadmap very explicitly to these states with some sort of legal rationale from the department of justice. not a single find me the vote saying hey, here's how you can do it under the authority of u.s. constitution. >> that's right. we knew the letter existed. there was a whole story that you showed earlier in the broadcast here, and we've seen the letter it's quite striking. in days a roadmap. it causes us to reevaluate what was happening in late december. during that p

on saturday the number one person the exacting attorney general jeff rosen spoke for seven hours withmittee and rosen specifically was talking about five key episodes where a subordinate of the two men, a man leading the environment section of law at the doj was trying to act out of the chain of command at the justice department to push election fraud claims that he held that were in line with donald trump's. now it's an open question at this time whether jeff clark was acting on his own or taking specific directions from the white house or trump. that's something that we know that the judiciary committee and other committees on the hill will be asking about but what we did learn over the weekend after both of those interviews with donahue and rosen is that the senate judiciary committee chairman dick durbin spoke to dana bash. he didn't provide new information but had a key take away. here is what he told dana. >> how directly, personally involved the president was, the pressure he was putting on jeffrey rosen was reel. very real. it was very specific. this president is not subtle wh

ranking justice department official who was apparently more on board than the acting attorney general jeff rosenlegislature to go into special session over the results. it's completely over theline. you look at these events individually and you look at them in totality. the attempts to interfere with the results, the big lie, the insurrection, they are all part of a piece. >> well, they are. look, in terms of all of the former president's conduct, among the most egregious and frankly among the most worthy of investigation with an eye to potential prosecution is what the former president tried to do in georgia. there he was on the phone in a recorded conversation asking the secretary of state to find 11,870 votes that don't exist. anyone else doing that would have been prosecuted already. the evidence that you're referring to tonight, these internal letters and other discussions going on by clark, no doubt at the urging of donald trump, to try to give the georgia legislature a reason to convene and overturn the results would be more evidence in that case out of georgia. so i certainly hope that t

wrote in this letter that he never sent, he said this, this evening after acting attorney general jeff rosenuctions to utilize the department of justice's law enforcement powers for improper ends, the president removed jeff from the department. now, of course, that firing never happened and never sent the letter but we know, erin, at least a half dozen other doj officials had similar plans to resign if rosen wasn't fired. so this is all coming out as investigators in the house, lawmakers are looking into all of these efforts from trump and now we know at least one doj official to try to overturn the election. erin? >> pretty incredible. and it's incredible to do aparen d -- "apprentice" style showdown. it's pretty statebrett stunning levels. let's go straight to former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and john avalon, anchor and cnn senior political analyst. thanks so much to both. did trump commit a crime? >> yeah, erin, forget about a crime. i see several federal crimes here. i'll be specific. it is a federal crime to deprive a state of a fair election. it is a

whether rosen should stay the attorney general or trump should replace him with this geoff clark guy, they argued whether it should falsely legitimize trump's claim about the election being stolen which jeffeting several justice department officials were so worried that trump was going to go ahead and do it, that he was gonna take rosen out as attorney general and put this jeff clark guy instead, they were so worried about that that they agreed that they would all resign en masse if that occurred. really hair raising stuff, there will be movies made about this someday. they're reporting about that meeting suggested that when the dust settled and the attorney general was not replaced, rosen stayed in his position, one senior official wrote at the time it's sounds like the sound of justice has won, rosen got to stay and not be replaced by this geoff clark guy. but something else happened after that meeting, which still to this day doesn't make sense to me. we have these documents that were recently released by the house oversight committee, and they show us that after that meeting was over, when everybody was like did justice succeed? is he still attorney general? it's clark gonna take over

for instance, the pressure campaign that the former president pushed onto acting attorney general jeff rosenrge. our point is that these crimes, and there are number of them that we suggest merit serious continuous investigation until the justice department determines whether or not the former president committed them or not. it is that investigation that is merited based on what republic -- we publicly. know >> you mentioned several things, conspiracies, and other, things specifically in the peace. everyone should read the piece. but you also make the point that choosing not to investigate because you are afraid of the way it will look politically is in fact poisoning the investigative process with politics. >> we doj is not going to be able to ignore the gorilla in the room. and today was a great day for doj. they announced really and poignant civil rights -- those police investigation in phoenix, there's political investigations in the works. all that work is four nothing if the american people don't see a serious investigation into the former presidents conduct around the insurrection on

rights in light of everything we've seen in the last couple weeks with donald trump having talked to jeff rosen, and this guy jeffrey clark writing letters to people trying to overturn elections, and the fact that there was actually a planned -- is voting right stuff seems to be that important. certainly not as bipartisan, but it's that important. where are you on deciding that that voting rights bill has to get done, even if it means putting aside the filibuster for the purposes of certain bills? >> two things, ali. hi really glad you are following the details of the judiciary committee investigation you are just referring to that has come forward with some really shocking details about rosen and clark and others in the department of justice as former president trump tried to bully his way into an election that he did not win. we are going to take up and vote on a voting rights bill before we leave, something that will show that all of us, all 50 democrats, are committed to the idea that we have to move forward on voting rights. ali, this is something that used to be bipartisan. the last time

maybe dj pack went through something like, that maybe jeff rosen went through something like that where he said this can't stand. i am most worried that our democracy cannot to rely on the fact that people will make good judgments. i'm really glad some people did in that alexander vindman did and he is a hero for doing. it i would really like to know that there is something else in its place that will prevent somebody like donald trump from an doing democracy as we have learned there was a full plan to do. this was not a win it was a plan. >> that's exactly right. you can't have a system that depends on superhuman heroism. there has to be consequences for putting people in circumstances where the only way to move forward and public services to be self sacrificing and-ing -- on a regular basis. today is the -- former chen nixon's resignation on the presidency it is the anniversary. there were consequences for next, in just a reason his name as an epithet. if we don't ensure the same kind of accountability going forward, than the sacrifice of the vindmans of the world is something we are

more details in coming days since the top officials from the time, the acting attorney general jeff rosen an richard donahue are slated to be interviewed by the select committee in the next few days and they could give more insight into the records that they kept from late december, early january, when that pressure was amped up from the president and pressure even from the head of doj civil division, jeffrey clark. that is someone who investigators want to talk to. so the timeline that is emerging here is disturbing. so we know this, based on handwritten notes from deputy a.g. donahue, it is during a phone call with trump where he told doj official this is, he said just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the r congressman, the republican congressman, we don't know who. then it is one day later when jeffrey clark was head of the civil division, a division that won't have any part in investigating election issues but he took it on and drafted a letter to be sent to governors in georgia where he falsely wrote that doj had found voting issues that impacted the outcome

the election having serious problems and there is a telephone call that the president had with jeff rosenhy don't you say that the election is corrupt, and let me take it from there with the house republicans, and jeffrey clark drafted a letter that he wanted the attorney general to sign and send to legislators in georgia suggesting that they want to go into the special session so they could potentially issue electoral votes of their own if they had questions about the outcome of the georgia election. of course, the current and former justice department officials are not a problem for the committee to get to, because the white house has said it won't assert executive privilege over them, and the justice department has said they can testify, which is what the committee has been doing so far, and that is relatively easy work. >> talk to me about who jeffrey clark is, pete. what do we know about him? >> well, he was a trump appointee as you noted and he was sent to the justice department through the natural resources division, and then was sent into the attorney general divisions, and it has

"new york times" reporting it comes from trump's former acting attorney general jeff rosen who, quote, has told the justice department watchdog and congressional investigators that one of his deputies tried to help former president donald j. trump subvert the results of the 2020 election. "the times" reports rosen met with the justice department watchdog for two hours friday and voluntarily gave closed door testimony to the senate judiciary committee on saturday. the paper says rosen told investigators about numerous interactions with jeffrey clark, a trump-appointed official at the doj, including one in december during which clark admitted to meeting with former president trump. rosen reportedly told investigators clark had held unauthorized conversations with the former president about ways to have the department of justice publicly cast doubt on joe biden's victory. with all that, let's bring in our lead-off guests on this monday night. lisa lerer, national political correspondent for "the new york times," neal katyal, department of justice veteran, former acting solicitor general

for example, there is a recenting reporting that trump told his acting attorney general, jeff rosen, just say the country is corrupt and leave the rest to me. he wanted the department to open the door so he could walk through it and remain president even though biden won. it's one of the biggest political stories of our lifetimes. but it's in the past. so it might not be getting enough attention, enough play. for example, this weekend we're learning that rosen and one of his deputies has given explosive testimony noting that another department official tried to weaponize the department to help trump stay in power. after hearing from rosen, the deputy director said he was, quote, struck by how close the country came to total catastrophe. that's why we're seeing more headlines registering a coup attempt in america. was it a symbolic coup, not well thought out? sure. but still a coup attempt. the committee for january 6 has a lot to piece together about the roles in that attack. and the media needs to step backward to focus on what went wrong and also focusing on the future and how it c

and maybe bj pak went through something like that and maybe jeff rosen went through something like that where he said this can't stand. i am most worried that our democracy cannot rely on the fact that people will make good judgments. i'm really glad some people did and alexander vindman did and he is a hero for doing it but i would really like to know there is something else that will prevent somebody like donald trump from undoing democracy as we have learned there was a full plan to do. this wasn't a whim. this was a plan as you pointed out. >> yes. you know, it is exactly right. you can't have a system that depends on super human heroism. there has to be consequences for putting people in circumstances where the only way to move forward in public service is to be self-sacrificing and heroic on a daily basis. today is the anniversary of richard nixon's resignation from the presidency. there were consequences for what nixon forced people to do in terms of being heroic in their efforts to save the republic against him. there were confidence ferences for nixon and a reason his name is a

we don't have full details on what jeff rosen said but the senators who were there say it was extremelyot lot there. you can imagine seven hours of testimony. it really is important that we ask these questions because what was going on in the department of justice was frightening. this was testimony to a senate committee not the house select committee, appointed by nancy pelosi. a bipartisan committee of senators all of whom reportedly asked questions. it's entirely possible that the house investigates trump and his actions following the election, that select committee will also ask rosen to testify. rosen in the room as the president pursued so many avenues trying to undo american voters' decision. on friday the latest jobs number showing strong growth in jobs. there's still about a million job openings that people haven't taken but the unemployment rate fell hard nearly a million people went back to work in july. >> my message today is not one of celebration. it's one to remind us we have a lot of hard work left to be done, both to beat the delta variant and to continue our advance of e

but he asked his superiors at the justice department, jeff rosen, who was the acting attorney general and richard donahue, who was the deputy attorney general at the time, for permission to get a special high-level classified briefing from the director of national intelligence to try to check this out. he went over for that briefing, don, around the turn of the year and was told that the intelligence showed that there was no such thing. there was no evidence that there was foreign interference that altered the vote totals, something that of course we've known. and he came away not convinced. he kept pushing this idea, and of course we know he helped try to orchestrate a coup at the justice department, trying to get trump to fire rosen. in the end, trump did not do that, but it shows you how close things came there in those crucial days. >> it's -- it just -- everything -- it grows more absurd by the day. >> reporter: yeah. >> cnn is learning that the january 6th select committee is weighing whether to go after call logs from the trump white house on the day of the riot. what would tha

we will have more from district attorney jeff rosen, and we also have more about what we know about the suspect. in this case, children all right, we will look forward to that. andre senior reporting live outside. san jose police headquarters, andre thanks. also in san jose, man is now in custody after a long standoff with police. it started about 1 30 this morning after police responded to a 911 call about a man waving a gun on a balcony at a condominium complex. this is on silk creek drive near alum rock avenue. police say the man fired at least one shot before barricaded himself inside a condo unit. during this event, we know the suspect fired the gun at least one time. we don't know if he was shooting at officers or somebody else, police negotiation negotiators rather were called to the scene and the situation was finally resolved about 12 hours later, nearby condos were evacuated as a precaution, and everyone has now been allowed to return to their homes. now to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic, the san san francisco unified school district will now require teachers to be vac

previously, for instance, made it possible for trump era officials like acting attorney general jeff roseno wait and see what happens here. the real problem is that trump could file a lawsuit and try to slow down the process. >> ah, okay. and the committee is also looking for material from social media companies. so what do you think they hope to learn? i mean are we talking about private messages, deleted posts? >> i think all of the above and more. something that you want to do when you are investigating a quick-moving event like this is make sure that you are gathering all of the documents and all of the evidence to look for trends, relationships, connection, evidence of communications, perhaps formation of a conspiracy. so the traffic on these platforms as well as specific communications could be very revealing. it will be a heavy lifting job to go through all of this and make sense of it, but it is a wealth of data and information for investigators. >> joyce, i also want to talk to you about this. a judge in michigan issued a 110-page opinion. it was pretty blistering here, punishing

that pak's resignation was preceded with a contentious meeting in the oval office, with jeffrey rosen and jeffbt on the election results along with trump, they fought it out. they argued over which should lead the justice department, whether rosen should stay the attorney general, or whether trump should replace him with this jeff clark guy. going into that meeting, several justice department officials were so worried that trump would take rosen out and put clark in there instead, that they agreed they would all resign if that occurred. very hair-raising stuff. there will be movies made about this someday. but the reporting about that meeting suggested that when the dust settled and the attorney general was not replaced, rosen stayed in his position, one senior official wrote at the time, it sounds like the cause of justice has won. but something else happened after that meeting. which doesn't, still, to this day, make sense to me. we have these documents that were recently released by the house oversight committee, showing after that meeting was over, and everybody is like, did justice succee

acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and richadonahue say jeff clark tried to use the department's resourcesing to oust his bosses resisting trump. and this morning on cnn's state of the union dick durbin told dana bash that according to testimony trump also asked rosen to do certain things and meet with people related to crazy conspiracy theory. rosen refused to do it. >> just how directly personally involved the president was, the pressure he was putting on jeffrey rosen, it was real, very real. it was very specific. this president's not subtle when he wants something, former president. i think it's a good thing for america that we had a person like rosen in that position who w withstood the pressure? >> dana bash joins me now. really incredible to hear that from senator durbin, just the fact that the acting attorney general was standing in way of what appeared to be an attempted coup. where might we be if he had gone along with former president trump's request? >> maybe the answer is another thing that senator durbin told me which is what the former president was trying to do was find who

the justice department and this individual, jeff clark, is someone we know former president trump had referenced in his phone call with attorney general rosen and said well, i hear this jeff clark guy is good, maybe he's somebody i should bring on board and here he pops up with his own plan of circumventing the results of the election in georgia. ari, it is important to look at this not just a single moment in time but as part of a long standing course of activities by the former president that starts at least as early as when he's trying to get the ukrainians to help him out to announce the investigation into joe biden onto the moment that he should suggest covid as an excuse to delay the election and spread the big lie after he lost the election. this is a long-running, just standard of conduct by trump that results in the attempted coup. >> yeah, i hear you using that same language, joan, this is so serious. do reasons of some of these things may wrongly seem less important or as best i can tell arbitrary, for example, whether or not someone was there to stop it is arbitrary. whether or not this is shocking new to people or they become a

who was advocating it and advancing it in a very real way, because if jeff clarke had gotten his way, then-acting attorney general rosento the georgia legislature directing them to take over the election in georgia and to compel an outcome for trump despite the absence of any evidence of fraud. and it's fortunate, frankly, that the acting attorney general pushed back, declined to play games with clarke, who was someone who had been an assistant attorney general for the environment and natural resources division. he had become the acting head of the civil division. he was so far out of his lane, asking for an intelligence briefing on ongoing criminal matters, that it's difficult to see how that even happened. but it speaks to how much dysfunction there was and how the trump monkeys were really running the show at that point. >> yeah. joyce, thank you so much, really appreciate it as always. >>> when we come back, there are big developments here regarding the allegations against new york governor andrew cuomo. we have that story and much more. stay with us. stay with us e else... i appreciate that liberty mutual knows ev

rosen to investigate voter fraud in georgia, including one email sent january 1st that read, quote, there have been allegations of signature match anomalies in fulton county, georgia. can you get jeff clark to engage on this issue immediately to determine if there's any truth to this allegation? the very next day not only did mark meadows set up the infamous phone call in which trump would ask georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger to find 11,780 votes. meadows was a willing participant in the call. >> mr. secretary, obviously there is -- there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted, and that's at odds with the representation from the secretary of state's office. what i'm hopeful for, is there some way that we can -- we can find some kind of an agreement to look at this a little bit more fully? you know, the president mentioned fulton county. but in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to lead. and so, mr. secretary, i was hopeful that, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these alleg

rosen to investigate voter. fraud and sending one email january 1st saying, quote, there have been many allegations of signature match animal anomalies in fulton county, georgia. can you get jeff clark to engage on this issue immediately to determine if any truth to this allegation? so he knows that clark is on the team. and the next day, meadows arranged the call between trump and georgia's republican secretary of state when trump infamously said, quote, i just want to find 11,780 votes. that's way more than what he needed. so mark meadows is in on the plot, obviously. and clark, and trump, together, have a plan. and here's what appears to have been. they were going to that had been pumped into the atmosphere by trump and repeated by his allies, and the right-wing media. and use that to have the department of justice officially sent a letter to the six most closely contested states, five of which have republican-controlled legislators. and, say hey, this is the official blessing the u.s. department of justice telling you the results in your state are tainted, they can't be trusted, we don't really know who won, and by the, way you have the constitutional authority to call a s

jeff rossen and his number two richard donohue would not sign off. so the letters never saw the light of day until now. now we don't know if p.b. pac or rosen or richard donohue are the good fis. all we know is they chose not to undertake potentially criminal activity for the sake of protecting the failed former president's ego. however the fate of our democracy smutd not solely rely on a few people we hope did do the right thing in moments like this. but it kind of does. currently there are no legislative railroad legal guard rails in place preventing a scheme like clark's from being launched in the future which is why he and the other ex-president enablers must be held to account. with now msnbc contributor eugene daniel bes, the white house skoerpt and cothorough of politico playbook and ruth marcus. a editorial editor for the washingtons. jeffreyry clark who had no business interfering in the election, a guy we never heard of -- the part i left out here is that there was an underlying promise there if jeff rossen and richard donohue did not do the president's bidding, jeffreyy clark would have been a name every american knew because he

course rosen and donahue, they are expected to give crucial insight into how a trump ally within the justice department pushed others to pack those claims of election fraud. >> good morning. i'm jeffthe head of the civil division. >> he was in charge of a department at doj that would have had no role investigating voter proud. but in the weeks after the election, clark seemed to cozy up to trump by parroting the president's false claims of fraud. >> that was a rigged election. >> and pushing the justice department to step in. >> jeffrey clark reportedly told you that your days as acting attorney general bewere numbere. is that true? >> congressman, the items you are talking about, i have seen media accounts. >> jeffrey rosen has never publically confirmed the intense pressure campaign coming from clark to get the doj to help overturn the election for trump. but new documents and detailed uncovered in connection with an in depth probe shows just how far clark went. a draft letter details how clark planned to write georgia officials to falsesy say doj found voting irregularities in several states. he wanted them to sign on, but they flat-out refused be donovan responding in e-mail,