. >> i'm sitting across from commander jeff scoop. he was the leader of the national socialist movement. the largest neo-nazi movement in the country. on march 1st, 2019, jeff stepped down from his position, but he hasn't publically denounced white supremacy. >> you haven't just been able to tell them yet that you're ready to denounce? >> no. >> are you ready to do that now? >> well, yes. >> for over two decades, he's been an influential figure in this hateful movement. >> really the only way to stem this flow is to cut the head off the snake. jeff scoop is the head of the snake. if he can find a way to disengage, it will have a massive impact on other people in the movement wanting to leave as well. >> the question i'm wrestling with is can someone like this really change? >> how many people did you recruit that ended up dead, in prison, you know, ruined their lives? probably if they never met you would have had a normal, typical life. >> i know a lot of people that it's ruined their lives. i'm still processing through a lot of that.