jeff selingo, we heard 36 million people are paying college debt. this plan that the president put forward today would affect 1.6 million. how much of it a difference would it make? >> it's not going to make a huge difference. between both programs, it's probably going to impact about seven million of those people in repayment or new students coming into the program. the thing about the income-based program that was announced today is that it's only going to affect students in college right now. so all of these students, these recent college grads who have graduated with a lot of debt who are now looking for jobs and can't find them or are doing jobs that only require a high school diploma, it's not going to provide much help to them. the. >> ifill: anya kamanetz, is it worth doing? >> it's certainly worth doing if you're eligible for it. as jeff mentioned, this program is very undersubscribed. it's been around for two years. 1.6 million people may be eligible but only 450,000 are actually enroll sod i think the most important thing about the presid