joining us is deputy chief investment officer jeff sherman. what's the strategy around fixed income right now? >> sara, it's been the same trend we've been advocating for really through the course of the summer. this is having a balanced portfolio of risk. when i say don't add to credit, it doesn't mean you should own credit. this is not the time with yields where they are today to be going down and reaching for the bottom tiers of credit. you can be good enough in the credit markets today, we have investment grade bonds that yield 6% today in corporate credit u.s. you have high-yield bonds at the upper end of the higher end of the credit ratings that yield in the 7%, 8%, 9% range. so, there are places in the credit markets that still make sense. but in order to do that and be comfortable with some of those risks, why not own some of this treasury market as well? so, as you mentioned, we went over 5% in overnight trading this morning. and it seems like it all of a sudden is a catalyst when the u.s. market woke up, that 5% mark. it really sent