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here to talk jeff stein and i'm joined by tax attorney william who reviewed that for "the post." have you two experts here with us. jeff, let me start with you. steven mnuchin denied the democrats' request for the tax returns. it is mandatory that the secretary disclose returns unless executive privilege comes out. what do you expect democrats to do with this new info? >> i think it will feature prominently in their upcoming court case. obviously, democrats have said that they're likely to take this to dc federal court to compel the administration to turn over these records. this is, as you said, potential ammo to say, look, someone in the irs may not be the chief counsel himself and not the irs commissioner but someone internally perhaps one of the people whose job it is to understand this law thinks that the irs is compelled to give this information over. so, yes. to your point, i think it will very likely feature in their upcoming arguments. >> one lawmaker congresswoman jennifer wexman of virginia did ask about it in the last couple minutes. i will play it. >> you are at leas

policy reporter for the "washington post," jeff stein. let's talk through this a little bit. this memo was written, you report, in the fall at irs by a lawyer, but never made it to treasury department. is it fair to say treasury secretary steve mnuchin was not aware of the memo and didn't know about this policy? >> that is what the treasury department told us in a statement, that mnuchin never reviewed the memo. we'll try to get to the bottom of that. mnuchin is testifying on the hill today, and i am very confident that lawmakers will try to press him and ask that very question that you just posed, which is a good one. >> so is this, jeff, binding in any way? is this an opinion written by a lawyer, or is this an irs policy that will have implications for, say, treasury secretary mnuchin responding to a subpoena from a congressional committee to get these tax returns out? >> no. mnuchin is not bound by this decision or this memo at all. he is free to make his own opinion, and he canov overrule e judgment of subordinates at the irs. some have conferred with his decision, not to

i don't know if that was previously done but it's the request jeff stein story from the "washington post," posted last knight entitled "confidential draft memo." >> without objection, such is the order. >> to that end in this reading of the story this was a draft memo. it has no one that it was written to nor an author. so i just want to ask you. you stated that you'd not seen the memo until this day. does that mean you'd not heard of this or seen the memo until you read the news story? >> yeah. to the best of my recollection i don't ever recall seeing this memo. the first i heard of this was when we got a "washington post" inquiry. what i've been briefed on very quickly on this is this issue is different than the legal analysis that we've done. of course we will look at it and make sure but there's no smoking gun here. we did a very thorough legal analysis with the department of just its. this goes to the courts, the court s will decide and determine. i would hope -- we all hope that we get to the right conclusion on what the right law is here. >> in this regard just to make sure the me

i don't know if that has been previously done, but it's the -- jeff stein, josh dawsey story from thengton post." this posted last night at 6:46 p.m., entitled, "confidential draft irs memo says tax returns must be given to congress unless president invokes executive privilege." >> without objection, such is the order. >> thank you. to that end, in my reading of the story, this was a draft memo. it was stamped "draft". it has no one that it's written to, nor an author. and so i just want to ask you, you stated you had not seen the memo until this day. do you mean you had not seen -- you had not heard of this or seen the memo until you read the news story? is that what you're -- >> yeah. i mean, to the best of my recollection, okay, i don't ever recall seeing this memo. the first i ever heard of this was when we got a "washington post" inquiry. let me just also comment, what i've been briefed on very quickly on this is, this issue is different than the legal analysis that we've done. now, of course, we will look at it and take it into account and make sure. but let me assure you, there

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