>> i completely agree with jeff tubin. we don't know yet.retending to know is kind of silly, but the laws that he mentions are the criminal laws that i think may well have been violated in an agreement implicit or explicit to violate them would be all the worst. i think that's what we have got here. we have to be patient. i know that is hard when we have a president like this, but i think we are getting close. >> answer this one quickly before i let you go. the pushback from the uninitiated, just regular folks and not lawyers who are watching this, if there's a basis for what you are saying, why haven't we seen an indictment on that basis yet? >> because we wouldn't expect to. >> why not? it has been a long time, people say. it has been a long time. >> it has not nearly as long as it takes to investigate something this complicated. this is an enormously complex case. way more complex than the watergate burglary where we did not have indictments of a serious kind until much later, and the smoking gun that led to the resignation of richard nix