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the case will be asooned to jefferson county decision 13. do you have a motion with respect to bond? >> yes, your honor. asks for $15,000 full cash bond for the defendant. >> i will grant the motion and assign bond in the amount of $15,000 full cash. and issue a warrant. that concludes the business of the grand jury sitting for jefferson county in september 2020. thank you, ladies and gentlemen. you may be excused. i'm going off the record. >> we have been listening to the jefferson county proceedings as announced by the local judge there. and it would appear that there is charges against a single officer for wanton endangerment in the police shooting death of breonna taylor. you saw the proceeding as far as we understand it, that is to say, the judge spoke with the grand jury as you heard, discussed those three counts and then ended the proceedings. it is a zoom proceeding. i have a panel of experts here to respond and i want everyone to understand we're awaiting a press conference from the local -- the prosecuting attorney general who acts
the case will be asooned to jefferson county decision 13. do you have a motion with respect to bond? >> yes, your honor. asks for $15,000 full cash bond for the defendant. >> i will grant the motion and assign bond in the amount of $15,000 full cash. and issue a warrant. that concludes the business of the grand jury sitting for jefferson county in september 2020. thank you, ladies and gentlemen. you may be excused. i'm going off the record. >> we have been listening to the...
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on or about march 13, 2020, the jefferson county -- in jefferson county, kentucky, the aboved named defendant brett hankinson committed the offense of wanton endanger munt in the first degree which under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life he wantonly shot a gun into an apartment occupied by initials z.f. against the peace and dignity of the commonwealth of kentucky. mr. foreperson, is that the decision of the grand jury? >> [ inaudible ]. >> thank you. sir, please randomly select a number. division 13. thank you, sir. the case will then be assigned to jefferson circuit court division 13. madam assistant attorney general do you have a motion with respect for bond? >> $15,000 full cash bond for the defendant brett hankinson i. grant the motion and assign bond in the amount of $15,000 full cash and issue a warrant. that concludes the business of the grand jury sitting for jefferson county in september 2020. thank you, ladies and gentlemen. you may be excused. i'm going off the record. >> all right. those are the charges announced. laura coates, bring you in for legal ex
on or about march 13, 2020, the jefferson county -- in jefferson county, kentucky, the aboved named defendant brett hankinson committed the offense of wanton endanger munt in the first degree which under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life he wantonly shot a gun into an apartment occupied by initials z.f. against the peace and dignity of the commonwealth of kentucky. mr. foreperson, is that the decision of the grand jury? >> [ inaudible ]. >> thank you. sir,...
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that concludes the business of the grand jury for jefferson county in september 2020. thank you. you may be excused. i'm going off the record. >> we have just learned three counts of wanton endangerment against brett hankison who fired the shots. >> harris: we are going to pull away because the grand jury now portion of that has finished. you saw a little bit of affiliate and the local news. i want to bring in our own jeff paul now with the latest on this. jeff, you are with me. >> a few people shouting in the crowd like only $15,000 when they were reading off the bond. that has been the only response. i'll step out of the way so we can give you an idea of the scene. jackson square in downtown louisville. it's fairly quiet. people are still digesting what was just read. trying to fully understand what this exactly means moving forward. we do know that curfew has been set up for the next 72 hours. that starts at 6:00 p.m. pardon. starts at 9:00 p.m. and goes until 6:30 a.m. that is something in play as the people react down here. probably do a bit of demonstrating. it is hard to t
that concludes the business of the grand jury for jefferson county in september 2020. thank you. you may be excused. i'm going off the record. >> we have just learned three counts of wanton endangerment against brett hankison who fired the shots. >> harris: we are going to pull away because the grand jury now portion of that has finished. you saw a little bit of affiliate and the local news. i want to bring in our own jeff paul now with the latest on this. jeff, you are with me....
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jefferson county grand jury intits brett hankison in first degree, for bullets that went into other apartments. but nothing for the murder for breonna taylor. this is outrageous and offensive. we go to the streets of louisville. we know that protesters have been gathering. first, let's get to jason carol, at the news conference, where we learned more detail. jason, lay out for us what we learned from the attorney general about the case that was presented to the grand jury and what the attorney general knows. >> reporter: a couple things first. there was a lot to unpack here. you hit the nail on the head. what we're talking about is all three of these officers, none of these officers, have basically been charged directly with breonna taylor's death. that's the headline. that's the bottom line here. if you look at what happened, and you look at what has been said and how the attorney general laid out his case. let's talk about myles cosgrove and john mattingly. those are two of the three officers that responded on march 13th. according to what the attorney general is telling us, the evidence sho
jefferson county grand jury intits brett hankison in first degree, for bullets that went into other apartments. but nothing for the murder for breonna taylor. this is outrageous and offensive. we go to the streets of louisville. we know that protesters have been gathering. first, let's get to jason carol, at the news conference, where we learned more detail. jason, lay out for us what we learned from the attorney general about the case that was presented to the grand jury and what the attorney...
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prosecutions presented the findings of the independent investigation before a grand jury comprised of jefferson county residents beginning on monday. concluded today. in fletcher v. graham the kentucky supreme court says that the grand jury has competed but balanced functions. on the one hand the purpose is to investigate allegations of the criminal conduct and determine if there is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. on the other, the grand jury serves to protect the public against unfounded criminal prosecutions where probable cause is lacking. the grand jury is unique in the criminal justice system because it operates independent of court and the prosecutor. the hallmark of grand jury the independence of the outside influence. this independence is necessary to ensure that justice is done both for the victims and the accused. of hearing the evidence from the team of prosecutors, the grand jury voted to return an indictment against detective hankison for three counts of wanton endangerment. for wantonly placing the three individuals in apartment three in danger of serious physical i
prosecutions presented the findings of the independent investigation before a grand jury comprised of jefferson county residents beginning on monday. concluded today. in fletcher v. graham the kentucky supreme court says that the grand jury has competed but balanced functions. on the one hand the purpose is to investigate allegations of the criminal conduct and determine if there is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. on the other, the grand jury serves to protect the public...
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over there is the jefferson county courthouse. we talked to a state representative who has introduced something called breonna's law. that would stop no knock warrants, require police to turn on body cameras five minutes before and five minutes after exercising the kind of warrant they carried out, and other measures. -- those want charges are the changes people want, but they also want charges. there is a federal investigation. what people have told us as they are not satisfied and this is not justice for breonna taylor. >> what is likely to happen now? well, as we have seen in the other cities where there , in been uprisings minneapolis, where george floyd died under a police officer's knee, in kenosha wisconsin where was shot in- blake thingsk and paralyzed, have kicked off. their has been an uprising in the streets in both of those cities where people expressed their anger over it. we know people are very unhappy. those buildings i showed you earlier were boarded up. businesses were asked to stop operating. there is a curfew f
over there is the jefferson county courthouse. we talked to a state representative who has introduced something called breonna's law. that would stop no knock warrants, require police to turn on body cameras five minutes before and five minutes after exercising the kind of warrant they carried out, and other measures. -- those want charges are the changes people want, but they also want charges. there is a federal investigation. what people have told us as they are not satisfied and this is not...
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kentucky, where just one polling place was open during the primary election in jefferson county, whicherv roughly many people could be turned away from the polls in november or find out that their ballots did not count? janai nelson is the associate director counsel of the naacp's legal defense and education fund, and a member of its litigation and policy teams. in your introduction, i gave some examples of where we're seeing around the country for voter suppression. what are you focused on legally? janai: well, we have been fighting a number of voter suppression tactics for four years, particularly since the 2013 decision. within two hours of that decision coming down, the state of texas vowed that it would enact a very draconian voter latinx voters from having access to the ballot. student at a state school, that voter i.d. was not sufficient to give you access to the ballot. but if you had a gun carry permit, you could vote. so we challenged that law. the judge held that that law was not only intended to discriminate, but it also had a clear disproportionate impact on particular com
kentucky, where just one polling place was open during the primary election in jefferson county, whicherv roughly many people could be turned away from the polls in november or find out that their ballots did not count? janai nelson is the associate director counsel of the naacp's legal defense and education fund, and a member of its litigation and policy teams. in your introduction, i gave some examples of where we're seeing around the country for voter suppression. what are you focused on...
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simply put, we had to try with jefferson county residents beginning on monday. fletcher b. graham, the grand jury has competing but balanced functions. on the one hand, its purpose is to investigate. on the other, the grand jury serves to protect the public against unfounded criminal prosecutions it operates independent of the court and the prosecutor. the victim and the accused. after hearing the evidence from our team, voted to -- outside influence. for wantonly placing three individuals in apartment three in danger of serious physical death. the charge one endangerment in the first degree is a class d felony. first degree with under circumstances manifesting the difference to the value of human life, engages in conduct which creates a substantial danger of death or serious physical injury to another person. important to understand that all the charges specific meetings and ramifications. encompasses the taking of a life by another. while there are six possible homicide charges under kentucky law, these are not applicable to the facts before us. and the gr that mattingly
simply put, we had to try with jefferson county residents beginning on monday. fletcher b. graham, the grand jury has competing but balanced functions. on the one hand, its purpose is to investigate. on the other, the grand jury serves to protect the public against unfounded criminal prosecutions it operates independent of the court and the prosecutor. the victim and the accused. after hearing the evidence from our team, voted to -- outside influence. for wantonly placing three individuals in...
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that is city hall that's where the decisions are made here in louisville and over there is the jefferson county courthouse just across the street and we talked to a state representative here who is a who has introduced something called briana's law and what that would do would be to stop no knock warrants which is what the what happened in the case of the killing of briana taylor would require the police to turn on their body cameras 5 minutes before and 5 minutes after exercising the kind of warrant that they carried out here and other measures that are related to that that's the kind of change that people want to but they also want charges against all of the officers involved we should point out there is still a federal investigation we're not sure what will happen for that but what many people have told us here is they're not satisfied and this is not justice for brianna taylor and what's likely to happen now. well. as we've seen in the other cities where there have been uprisings. in minneapolis where george floyd died under a police officers need in a new show wisconsin where jacob blake w
that is city hall that's where the decisions are made here in louisville and over there is the jefferson county courthouse just across the street and we talked to a state representative here who is a who has introduced something called briana's law and what that would do would be to stop no knock warrants which is what the what happened in the case of the killing of briana taylor would require the police to turn on their body cameras 5 minutes before and 5 minutes after exercising the kind of...
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a curfew has gone into effect in jefferson county, kentucky which includes louisville. these are live pictures of people on the streets and the heavy police presence. the curfew will last until 6:30 in the morning. >>> fighting for racial and social justice is part of what it takes to build a better bay area but it's not all. we're also focused on the economy, our changing work places and schools. and at the root of it all, our health. the steadily declining numbers of coronavirus appears to be plateauing. in the most reason 24-hour period, the number. cases was close to average. the number of deaths was above average. the test positivity rate over the last 14 days has gone slightly up from yesterday. when looking at just the bay area, the trend of new cases follows the states. after declining steadily, it is starting to flatten out. the impact varies widely. in east palo alto, the major concerns are rising case rates and being able to pay rent. we found that help on the way will make a million-dollar difference. >> reporter: antonio lopez is running for east palo alto
a curfew has gone into effect in jefferson county, kentucky which includes louisville. these are live pictures of people on the streets and the heavy police presence. the curfew will last until 6:30 in the morning. >>> fighting for racial and social justice is part of what it takes to build a better bay area but it's not all. we're also focused on the economy, our changing work places and schools. and at the root of it all, our health. the steadily declining numbers of coronavirus...
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. >> in jefferson county kentucky, the above named defendant created the offense of wanton endanger independent the first degree. >> reporter: no other charges gains the officers involved in her death. >> my job is not to decide if the loss of miss taylor's life was a tragedy. the answer to that question is unequivocally yes. >> reporter: ahead of the announcement, louisville police braced for possible demonstrations. the department canceled officers' vacation and day off city's federal courthouse. >> we have resources prepared to meet any challenge we may face. >> reporter: louisville's mayor also setting a 72-hour curfew from 9:00 a.m. to 6:30 a.m. in an effort to discollege violent protests. >> we are asking that if you decide to join a protest, you wrap things up by 8:00 or so. >> last week the city of louisville agreed to pay $12 million to breonna taylor's family to settle a wrongful death lawsuit. >> todays junctionment surprising and upsetting for many across the country. michael cardosa, our legal analyst, joins us. the bottom line is no police officers were directly charged in breonna
. >> in jefferson county kentucky, the above named defendant created the offense of wanton endanger independent the first degree. >> reporter: no other charges gains the officers involved in her death. >> my job is not to decide if the loss of miss taylor's life was a tragedy. the answer to that question is unequivocally yes. >> reporter: ahead of the announcement, louisville police braced for possible demonstrations. the department canceled officers' vacation and day...
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i'm in the county of jefferson county. back in 2014, when corey gardener first ran for the u.s. senate, running sort of more of a colorado independent, he won this county out of more than 220,000 votes by literally 120 votes. just two years later, donald trump lost this county by more than 22,000 votes and i was having a conversation last night with john and dianna roth from the county who told me that they voted for corey gardener in 2014. lifelong conservatives. they said they will not vote for corey gardener in election nor donald trump despite the nomination of a conservative to the supreme court justice. that is the evidence you're seeing in a lot of these numbers. at the same time, i also had a conversation with a gentleman named john who told me he's not going to vote for donald trump but supports the nomination of amy coney barrett in the confirmation process to get her through and debating whether to support hickenlooper or gardener and those are conversations over the next 37 days here in colorado and states where senate republicans are facing strong democratic challeng
i'm in the county of jefferson county. back in 2014, when corey gardener first ran for the u.s. senate, running sort of more of a colorado independent, he won this county out of more than 220,000 votes by literally 120 votes. just two years later, donald trump lost this county by more than 22,000 votes and i was having a conversation last night with john and dianna roth from the county who told me that they voted for corey gardener in 2014. lifelong conservatives. they said they will not vote...
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in just about 15 minutes, the formal grand jury in jefferson county, tennessee, will publicly presenteport on this case which includes potential charges or not to the local judge. after that, i can tell you that we are told by local officials to then hear from kentucky's attorney general daniel cameron. he is holding a formal press conference on this matter. expets told nbc news it is highly unlikely, that is to say they don't
in just about 15 minutes, the formal grand jury in jefferson county, tennessee, will publicly presenteport on this case which includes potential charges or not to the local judge. after that, i can tell you that we are told by local officials to then hear from kentucky's attorney general daniel cameron. he is holding a formal press conference on this matter. expets told nbc news it is highly unlikely, that is to say they don't
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case, present the findings of our independent investigation before a grand jury comprised of jefferson county residents, beginning monday and concluding today. in fletcher b. graham, they found the grand jury has competing but balanced functions. on the one hand its purpose is to investigate allegations of misconduct and determine if there's probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. on the other, the grand jury serves to protect the public against unfounded is lacking. it operates independent of the court and prosecutor. the hallmark of the grand jury is independence. this is necessary to insure justice is done for the victims and the accused. the grand jury voted to return an indictment for three counts of wanton endangerment, for putting the three individuals in the apartment in harm of serious injury or death. and if accused, can serve up to five years for each count. and in the first degree, when under circumstances manifesting with indifference to the value of human life, he wantonly engages in conduct which create as substantial danger of death or serious injury to another p
case, present the findings of our independent investigation before a grand jury comprised of jefferson county residents, beginning monday and concluding today. in fletcher b. graham, they found the grand jury has competing but balanced functions. on the one hand its purpose is to investigate allegations of misconduct and determine if there's probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. on the other, the grand jury serves to protect the public against unfounded is lacking. it operates...
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>> we just got this email from jefferson county. the grand jury will present its report on the breonna taylor case today, september 23rd at 1:15 p.m. eastern. so six months and ten days after breonna taylor was shot in her apartment, we'll know if there will be charges against the police officers. it's a 12-member grand jury. nine members have to agree. so today at 1:15, as you said, in just under two hours, we will have our answer as to whether or not there will be a trial for some of these officers. word has spread here in louisville, expect the park behind me to fill up, craig, as people anticipate this final announcement. >> cal, how are they preparing there in louisville? perhaps not so much for an announcement, but perhaps reaction to that announcement? >> reporter: the anticipation here is that there will be violence. we can spin you around. these dump trucks have been here since yesterday at 8:00 a.m. over the last 24 hours there have been no vehicles in this downtown area. i'll have you swing around as the crew scatters awa
>> we just got this email from jefferson county. the grand jury will present its report on the breonna taylor case today, september 23rd at 1:15 p.m. eastern. so six months and ten days after breonna taylor was shot in her apartment, we'll know if there will be charges against the police officers. it's a 12-member grand jury. nine members have to agree. so today at 1:15, as you said, in just under two hours, we will have our answer as to whether or not there will be a trial for some of...
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prosecutions presented the findings of our independent investigation before a grand jury comprised of jefferson county residents, beginning on monday and concluding today. in fletcher v. graham, the kentucky supreme court said that the grand jury has competing but balanced functions. on the one hand, its purpose is to investigate allegations of criminal conduct and determine if there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed. on the other, the grand jury serves to protect the public against unfound criminal prosecutions where probable cause is lacking. the grand jury is unique in our criminal justice system because it operates independent of the court and the prosecutor. the hallmark of the grand jury is its independence from outside influence. this independence is necessary to insure that justice is done both for the victims and for the accused. after hearing the evidence from our team, they voted to -- necessary to insure justice is done both for the victims and for the accused. after hearing the evidence from our team of prosecutors, the grand jury voted to return an indictment a
prosecutions presented the findings of our independent investigation before a grand jury comprised of jefferson county residents, beginning on monday and concluding today. in fletcher v. graham, the kentucky supreme court said that the grand jury has competing but balanced functions. on the one hand, its purpose is to investigate allegations of criminal conduct and determine if there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed. on the other, the grand jury serves to protect the...
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officials want to protect and over my other shoulder is the hall of justice it's a courthouse for jefferson county and then just beyond that is a memorial for briana taylor that's where we've been talking to people who have been telling us that this is not just this is not just this in part because nobody who fired a shot the officer fired the fatal shots that killed briana taylor is not charged at all the officer who was charged is being charged with 3 counts of reckless endangerment for firing into the neighboring apartment where a white family of 3 lives so people here are upset there will still be federal in a federal investigation here that means there could potentially be charges by the federal government as opposed to the local government here but people are not happy and what has happened then is we've seen police lines and there have been protesters arrested confronting those police officers and that's not unusual here we've had over 100 days of protests in louisville but many people expect things to get difficult tonight after the curfew ends at 9 o'clock and that is in just about 4 hour
officials want to protect and over my other shoulder is the hall of justice it's a courthouse for jefferson county and then just beyond that is a memorial for briana taylor that's where we've been talking to people who have been telling us that this is not just this is not just this in part because nobody who fired a shot the officer fired the fatal shots that killed briana taylor is not charged at all the officer who was charged is being charged with 3 counts of reckless endangerment for...
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and i want to share an image from louisville, kentucky, jefferson county, kentucky has one of the largest populationings in the state. one of the largest black populations in particular and with one polling site serving this entire county that is home to louisville and at 6 p.m. with polls closed, the people were literally racing from their jobs and banging on doors of the expo center to ensure that their voice could be heard. it's critical that we ensure that communities of color in particular are adequately served by appropriate numbers of following polling sites. i'll share images from milwaukee wisconsin on april 7th, 2020, outside of marshal high school, you have largely black voters in barge garbage bags waiting in rain, because they reduced to 180 to 5. this is a widespread form of voter suppression in our country and during the pandemic we have to make sure that voters of color are adequately served by adequate number of polling sites. >> thank you. doctor, how can the closure of polls impact health risk for voters during the pandemic and what should states do to reduce this risk?
and i want to share an image from louisville, kentucky, jefferson county, kentucky has one of the largest populationings in the state. one of the largest black populations in particular and with one polling site serving this entire county that is home to louisville and at 6 p.m. with polls closed, the people were literally racing from their jobs and banging on doors of the expo center to ensure that their voice could be heard. it's critical that we ensure that communities of color in particular...
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folks up in jefferson county, who are working every day, seeing the rug pulled out from under them becauseesident has been incredibly incompetent in terms of how he handles this pandemic. i would just end with this note. irrespective of who the president is, you want the president to be successful, because their success is the country's success. and this president has really shown that he is not capable of doing this job. he is not up for the task, and we have to put somebody in who is capable and ready to do this job on day one. host: about 10 minute left with malcolm kenyatta. i did want to ask if you could explain what is going on with mail-in ballot and right now in pennsylvania. guest: right now we have a situation where the president again is trying to diminish trust in our mail-in ballot and processes, and trying to diminish trust in our democracy in general. we have passed major reforms earlier this year, bipartisan that have extended no excuse absentee balloting. that anybody can request an absentee ballot. why a lot of -- while a lot of people want to see those votes counted quic
folks up in jefferson county, who are working every day, seeing the rug pulled out from under them becauseesident has been incredibly incompetent in terms of how he handles this pandemic. i would just end with this note. irrespective of who the president is, you want the president to be successful, because their success is the country's success. and this president has really shown that he is not capable of doing this job. he is not up for the task, and we have to put somebody in who is capable...
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jefferson county sheriff's office made her autopsy public for the first time.al bullet struck taylor's heart. other bullets striking her foot, thigh and abdomen. these were unsurvivable wounds. breonna taylor's family is calling on the attorney general here, david cameron, to release all of the information in this case, including the secret grand jury transcripts that led to the no charges in the direct killing of breonna taylor. take a listen at one of the attorneys. >> did he present any evidence on breonna taylor's behalf? or did he make a unilateral decision to put his thumb on the scales of justice to help exonerate and justify the killing of breonna taylor. >> man charged for shooting two louisville police officers during protests pleaded not guilty yesterday. both of those officers are doing-are expected to recover. one is out of the hospital which is good news. jedediah? will: all right, thanks, brian. jedediah, pete, you know, there was a poll that came out yesterday that suggests if the goal of the black lives matter movement is persuasion, is to win
jefferson county sheriff's office made her autopsy public for the first time.al bullet struck taylor's heart. other bullets striking her foot, thigh and abdomen. these were unsurvivable wounds. breonna taylor's family is calling on the attorney general here, david cameron, to release all of the information in this case, including the secret grand jury transcripts that led to the no charges in the direct killing of breonna taylor. take a listen at one of the attorneys. >> did he present...
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>>near jefferson park which is right downtown surrounded by city and county government buildings, including courthouses the jail and city hall and the police headquarters just a block away you can see from this perspective. it looks calm and we don't see any violence we should note though that the kentucky national guard has been called into service and there is a curfew that is set to take effect at 09:00pm eastern time in louisville, so that one hour away. from now we'll keep an eye on this angry and confused demonstrators who spent months calling for the prosecution of the police officers in taylor's death. also taking to the streets tonight you can see police here in this video with their protective gear but on citizen downtown louisville. again there is a curfew in effect later tonight in about an hour in louisville and police say chemical agents may be used to disperse crowds. if people do not go home here in the bay area, a well-known civil rights attorney believes prosecutors missed an opportunity to hold officers, they're accountable, but enter turney who represents police officers
>>near jefferson park which is right downtown surrounded by city and county government buildings, including courthouses the jail and city hall and the police headquarters just a block away you can see from this perspective. it looks calm and we don't see any violence we should note though that the kentucky national guard has been called into service and there is a curfew that is set to take effect at 09:00pm eastern time in louisville, so that one hour away. from now we'll keep an eye on...
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founder is a man named ben montgomery who was born in a county in virginia, is sold down the river, is purchased by a lawyer named davis who is jefferson davis' brother, like the president of the confederacy, montgomery runs the plantation. he turns it from a backwoods operation to i think it was the fifth or third most profitable plantation in the state, with a lot of profitable plantations, during the war. he's running jefferson davis's plantation as well. during the war, he is -- both davis brothers money. eventually he buys the plantation out for i think it was 8 million in current dollars in cash. and then after, during reconstruction, he loses possession of it, a challenge from the very large davis clan, and he moves the town -- he moves the town north to a place called -- [inaudible]. davis was fascinating to me because -- to thrive under these conditions, the relationships that he has with these people is what -- the people being the davises is nearly equal. i mean, he's still a slave, but they -- he's respected. jefferson davis tried to have a patent issued for one of montgomery's inventions, and you say oh this is exceptional
founder is a man named ben montgomery who was born in a county in virginia, is sold down the river, is purchased by a lawyer named davis who is jefferson davis' brother, like the president of the confederacy, montgomery runs the plantation. he turns it from a backwoods operation to i think it was the fifth or third most profitable plantation in the state, with a lot of profitable plantations, during the war. he's running jefferson davis's plantation as well. during the war, he is -- both davis...