was buried next to a path and abraham lincoln had to walk past the a grave of the sun of jefferson davis to walk to the tomb of his own dead son and they had more in common than just a final journey happening at the same time and i found out lincoln and davis had a bizarre similarities and that is what inspired me to do the book about both of them because all the would never think it they were so alike and maybe one to write the story and one booked. >> where did the title come from? >> guest: bloody crimes comes from john brown and abraham lincoln. when brown was the execution he was allowed to under line the favorite passages in the bible from the book of ezekiel common make a change for the land is full of bloody crimes than on the morning he was hanged he handed a piece of paper to say now convince the crimes of the bloody land can only be purged by a blood and also we think of his second inaugural address to be peace and brotherhood and reconciliation but there is a dark passage that has been completely forgotten and essentially says a fall of the blood had drawn by 250 years of sla

i mean, jefferson davis did set up a government. it's hard for me to pretend that they were not real. that what they had wasn't a real thing and i think congress -- they should have been governed as territories and i think they should have kept the military rule over them a lot longer than they did to actually reconstruct them. so i understand the legal argument about it. but practically, realistically, they set up their own government. and they stopped participating, and they went their own separate way for a time period. >> yeah, right here in the third row. >> what was the base of support was for johnson? after all, he was the guard by the southern diehards and an unreliable president by the northern abolitionists? >> well, before -- you know, you mean while he's president? while he's president he didn't have that much support. i mean, he gets to be president because lincoln gets killed. and at this point, he begins to say let's try to make a base of these conservatives i talked about by being lenient with the former southern pla

he and jefferson davis, i think, in you the civil war. but it was his way of if you could stop the war by winning it, he had nor force -- more o forces going forward as a symbol to stop it. and i think that's what goes onw with police force as well. d >> and that notion of deterrenct is absolutely true. scientists created the atomic e bomb and were facing the same situation. they were told create a weaponta so horrific it will stop the war and end up saving more lives. o >> driving up this morning there were signs on the way about the importance of owning guns as i, drove on the highway 57 between chicago and champagne urbana. the issues are still there. >> the debate continues, yes. >> hi. julia, you're such a wonderful and prolific writer. thisow is now your first book. how did you decide to write witw about gatling, i'm curious. and, also, i'm wondering if you could talk about your writing process. do you write in bursts where it just kind of comes out of you? do you labor over sentences?wo so two questions. >> i came across the story

walked that path that abraham lincoln walked, i realized as i looked to my left one of the sons of jefferson davis was buried there, and i realized that abraham lincoln had to walk past the grave of the son of jeff -- jefferson davis to walk to the tomb of his own son. as i started to research it, i found out that lincoln and davis had bizarre similarities, and that's what really inspired me to do the book about pote of them under -- both of them under one set of covers. in many ways, although you'd never think it, they were alike in so many strange ways and it was that insight that made me want to write the story in one book. >> and can you tell me where the title came from? >> yeah. it really comes from john brown and abraham lincoln. when john brown was awaiting execution, he was allowed to possess a kink james' -- king james bible, and he underlined his favorite passages, and one of them was make a chain for the land is full of bloody crimes. and then on the morning he was hanged, john brown handed a piece of paper to his jailer, and it said i, john brown, am now convinced more than ever that

and he alienated many -- even before the war he alienated people like jefferson davis because of his support for the homestead act. the seven grandees, planters did not like the idea of giving poor white people and. they thought it was -- it would not have used the term, but they thought this was like welfare. why are you giving these people land below market rates? why don't they go out and work for it? why did they deserve this? but he was all for it. and so from the beginning there were recalcitrants about this that furthered his antipathy says. he came up making enemies all along the way. lincoln, he gets on the ticket because lincoln decides that he wants to signal to the south that there was a future, and north and south had a future together. it was a symbolic gesture of unity of him to pick a sudden, from the border states, from tennessee. moved to tennessee as a young man to put together. look. i am willing to have a southerner on the ticket. one of these days we can get back together again. he ends up on the ticket. lincoln replaces hannibal from maine who did not give any

one-third of a great trilogy of the great stories and the final journeys were abraham lincoln and jefferson davis after they fell from power and became a greater martyr and a greater hero during his fall than during the height of his power and presidency and that interested me because these final journeys of abraham lincoln and davis are as important as other great american journeys the journey of the lewis and clark and the journey to the moon and i don't think the civil war is over. we still discuss issues that lincoln and davis discussed about. and i thought about doing one book about each of these stories. one book about the lincoln funeral train and the pageant and the other about the davis escape and one day i was visiting willy lincoln's tomb in oak hill cemetery in georgetown and lincoln would often visit that spot alone and as i walked along that path that abraham lincoln walked, i realized as i looked to my left one of the sons of jefferson davis was buried right and he had to walk to the son to the tomb of his own dead son. i realized there was much more they had in common just the fac

jefferson davis has to do a reverse the because there were no railroads. that will bite the confederacy ultimately. the civil war years austrian huge amounts of military technology -- usher in huge amounts of military technology. linkedin is an active proponent of military technology. as i have been arguing, he was a pretty tough and relentless commander and chief, as much of it partner he was, he also wanted to spurge and burn. he wanted to get the war over with. host: who is boffin a new for writing those ought ads? -- ipads? guest: there was an altar date in the national archives document. i wrote and op-ed piece in 0: the new york times." -- o: the new york times." as i said, frankly all of us bear a burden of responsibility. this document changed to make it seem like lincoln was concerned with clemency on the day he died. we also checked the source is -- the sources. we assume that it suddenly appeared in its original that the books or robbed. nobody did due diligence. i said we have responsibility, in an age, particularly where documents are being sc

were cases filed in clark county, mississippi, forest county, mississippi, ouachita, louisiana, jefferson davisugust 4, montgomery, alabama, august 4, panola, mississippi, october 16, manderson parish, louisiana, tallahassee county, mississippi, then before the end of the year, great case, u.s. vs. louisiana and then shortly after, the beginning of 1962, the other great case, u.s. vs. mississippi. those were remarkable times. i've been asked to -- what i remember best about robert kennedy. i remember his drive, his ability to get attorneys to work for him, his yen rossity, and his sense of humor. i've been asked, what do you think was his legacy. hear this, robert kennedy's legacy was the voting rights act of 1965. i've been asked why doening he stood so strong were civil rights. i think the words that expressed it best, he was such a strong advocate for the public accommodation the lunch counter acome dailingses of the civil rights act of 1964. he said, i know bob kennedy always thought, i know it without a glimmer of a doubt, that just because of the trust you know, the need to keep the black

cases filed in clark county mississippi and forrest county mississippi, louisiana, august third, jefferson davisery, alabama, august 4, mississippi, october 16th, madison parrish louisiana, tallahassee county, mississippi, and then before the end of the year, the great case, u.s. versus louisiana, and then startly after the beginning of 62, the other case, u.s. versus mississippi. those were remarkable times, and i've been asked to what i remember best about robert kennedy. well, i remember his drive, his ability to get attorneys to work for him, his generosity, and his sense of humor. i've been asked what you think was his legacy. now, hear this. robert kennedy's legacy was the voting rights act of 1965. [applause] i've been asked why do i think he stood so strong for civil rights? i think the words of burt marshall best express it when he said robert kennedy had such a strong advocate for the public accommodations, you know, the lunch counter section of the civil rights act of 1964. he said, i know bob kennedy always thought i know it without a glimmer of a doubt, that just because of the trus

august 3 jefferson and davis county. august 4 montgomery, alabama. august 4, brooklyn parish.6, madison parish, louisiana. and then before the end of the year, the great case, u.s. vs. louisiana. shortly after the other great case, u.s. vs. mississippi. those were remarkable times. i have been asked what i remember best about robert kennedy. i remember his stride, his ability to get attorneys to work for him. his generosity and sense of humor. i have been asked what you think was his legacy? here this -- his legacy was the voting rights act of 1965. [applause] i have been asked why do i think he stood so strong for civil- rights? i think the words of burke marshall best expressed it when he said robert kennedy had such a strong advocate -- was such a strong advocate for public society. burke said i know bob kennedy thought i always knew without a glimmer of the doubt, just because the trust, the need to keep the black kids, to believe in their government, we had to support them on this issue of public accommodations, at least it was the moral thing to do. that was robert kenne