they just love them some jefferson davis.

if jefferson davis is gives unbeknownst to me, that will be fine. professor gallagher: nothing like a good irish stereotype. [laughter] professor varon: so you talked a little bit there about lincoln and grant and lincoln's instructions to grant. let's get to april. early april, the siege line runs from richmond to petersburg, lee and his troops had west, and the troops catch up to him at appomattox courthouse. what happened at appomattox, and as appomattox effectively end the civil war? it is commonplace to observe that appomattox effectively ended the civil war. it does it intoend the civil war, and if so why? to lincoln and lee's minds does it represent the end? ms. leonard: i would say no. actually, depending on how you caf au lait the war and income i think it is clearly an important point, clearly an important surrender, but there's a lot to be resolved, and even after all of the confederate army has surrendered, there is a lot of resolution that needs to be accomplished. it takes a very long time for that to happen. professor varon: let's tal

i took my boys to the grave of jefferson davis a month ago. it and noticed that a mighty oak tree had been twisted out of the crown and almost crushed the trade. a few weeks ago when i spoke in richmond i went at midnight to the davis monument, on monument avenue. i go to the lincoln places in the white house. it is still with me. i think after spending seven or eight years with death assassination, american tragedy, 600,000 men dead in the civil war, i just went recently to a congressional cemetery in washington again where there's a beautiful monument for 20 young girls as young as 13 who were blown to bits and burned alive at a munitions factory explosion. abraham lincoln presided over there funeral as the mourner in chief and i still go to these , places and think about what remains. of the story is not over in my mind and may be done in the books but i still think about what it means so i will have a different answer for you, skip when you ask what we're doing next. i think i need a break from mass death and destruction. hampton: is equal

jefferson davis is arguing about personal things. alexander stevens is one of his most bitter critics. they argue he is baking that -- making bad decisions. his opponents get nasty and they have all of these characters but lincoln is still arguing about policy fundamentally. davis is not. you may have some issues of sending troops but there is nobody saying maybe we should just free the slaves and do this until the very end and even then -- mr. rafuse: time for two more questions. >> you addressed earlier the question of european recognition or possible intervention before or during the war after the union prevailed. the effect of the union being preserved unsettling european international relations with the new world militarily and diplomatically. mr. beckenbaugh: lincoln wants to prove democratic governments can work and he is concerned european countries are looking at the united states as a form of government and see a civil war as a validation of believe. -- belief. are you talking about long-term? the south africans keeping apa

should blame jefferson davis. they're the people he tee feeted. -- tee feeted. he was trying to save the union and eventually free slaves. at least on the union side there was -- [inaudible] -- there was a cause on the southern side. and they kept going. robert e. lee was ready to throw in the towel. jefferson davis kept it going. >> he was going to let'm the south keep the slaves. >> initially yes. >> he must have had a -- >> america would not be america. >> of course not. >> got this all in the gettysburg address, whether a nation like this can endure. >> come get some food and drink and -- yes thanks. >> [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> how are you doing? >> -- haves not been on a jet. a total cliche running in -- [inaudible]. >> going to get out of -- i just want to let you know, you're totally impressive. fred said to tell he cokester hello. >> is he coming? >> no. how are you? >> i'm good. so i'm going to miss your -- >> you told me that. i tell you some things about that when i don't have a microphone on. >> exactly. mingling. >> okay. you look go

from new york city i don't think that was a pseudonym, wrote the president that he should have jefferson davis parade down broadway " petticoat regimental's." that is a reference to davis being captured in a shawl. they made a cross-dresser feminist, so on. it wasn't true, but good press. they wanted to take jefferson davis " in his crinoline and boots and cage them up and traveled throughout the whole country and exhibit as a show for $.50 ahead. " she had to put in print the seas -- parenthesis, " i would give five dollars to see him." and then it was added, and this is the part i love, " and in this way the underlying national debt could be paid, and in this way a good deal of good could be done." rub the rebels noses in their sins and balance the budget in the process. any hopes of that today? i'll let you be the judge of that. as i mentioned where we will find the best articulation of how they punish the rebels beyond execution is in the 14th amendment. it is a divisive is little understood for how a channel the cries for vengeance into a document that enacted rituals of legal democratic

jefferson davis. to thomas jefferson, he owned slaves? why not george washington he owned slaves? is it going to be about the flag or about everything else associated with a very bad part of our history. >> we'll talk more about this. we have bill kris toll coming on board. a swastika is a symbol of hate. if you're selling that and taking the confederate flag off your shelves, you're not really being anything about hip critical. let's turn to upstate new york and town of owl's head which is the center of the manhunt for richard matt and david sweat. new evidence discovered in a hunting cabin had law enforcement combing the surrounding area on tuesday. that break comes as new information emerged about prison worker joyce mitchell and how she smuggled escape tools inside the prison walls. here's nbc's stephanie gosk with more. >> reporter: in this remote new york town police hope they are closing in. every tip could be the one that leads to david sweat and richard matt. >> it's in difficult terrain. you

the first monday in june alabama celebrates jefferson davis day. vis was the president of the confederate states of america right. csa! csa! come on. [booing] >> larry: you guys. let me just say there are two things that bother me about slavery. number one -- [laughing] >> larry: the slavery part. 95% in that pot there. alright. the other 5%, people not acknowledging that it was a mistake. alright. i mean even germany has a poll apologized for the holocaust by the way. the ultimate bad thing everything sells compared to and never measures up except for possibly slavery. many southerners still yearn for the days of confederacy. i don't understand how it works. tell you what, let me break it down, alabama. you guys are celebrating a day to celebrate skwrefr davis. the president of the confederacy who was at war with the united states. a war that was fought so you could keep slaves. then you want to get fuzzy and nostalgic about it. at the "nightly show" we're suppose to act like it's not going on? remember that war we fought to keep the slaves. man th

jefferson davis was the first president of the con fed rascy.s far as alabama goes specifically, he really has no connection to alabama at all. yes, it's true, the first white house of the confederacy was in alabama. it was only there for three months. it would make sense maybe if jefferson davis was born in alabama or represented in al 58 in some way. maybe because he even died there or was in prison there or something. but no, alabama has none of those connections to jefferson davis. they just love them some jefferson davis. they also honor the old confederacy. and they celebrate robert e. lee day. when it comes to a whole official state day to honor the president of the confederacy, it's just alabama. just unparalleled love for the side that lost in the civil war. before he retired somewhere else that wasn't alabama either. and so, happy inexplicable and extraneous confederate state holiday today, alabama. nobody else in the country understands why you do this. >>> you know you're getting old can your make up do this? covergirl introduces mak

they just love them some jefferson davis.l and go out of their way to celebrate robert e. lee day on the same day everyone else honors martin luther king. when it comes to a whole official state day to honor the president of the confederacy, it's just alabama. just unparalleled love for the side that lost in the civil war. and the man who wasn't from alabama who led them to that will loss before he retired somewhere else that wasn't alabama either. and so, happy inexplicable and extraneous confederate state holiday today, alabama. nobody else in the country understands why you do this. [ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses. if you have a business idea, we have a personalized legal solution that's right for you. with easy step-by-step guidance, we're here to help you turn your dream into a reality. start your business today with legalzoom. we were below the 88th southern parallel. we had traveled for over 850 miles. my men driven nearly mad from starvation and frostbite. today we make history.

the two largest high schools are jefferson davis high and robert e. lee high and not a word about slavery. not a word about the terrorism and lynching that really shifted the demographic geography of this country. not a word about the humiliation that people tolerated during the decades of the civil rights era. we want to celebrate the happy moments and not deal with the reality of that's not what transitional justice is. it means you tell the truth about the problems and you reconcile yourself to that truth as they're doing in germany. as they tried to do in south africa. as they're talking about in rwanda. we never did that in this country. and i think it is ill police it bias and dangerousness and guilt and that will change when we talk honestly about what these symbols have done to us. >> i want to make sure that i understood you. i am a correct you're saying the alabama state constitution in 2015 contains a provision barring racial integration between black ask white children in schools to this day school and you can't get it removed? >> that's e

. >> we have have statue of jefferson davis in the capitol in frankfort. davis' sole connection to kentucky was he was born there. he subsequently moved to mississippi and kentucky did not secede from the union. so i think it's appropriate certainly in kentucky to be talking about the appropriateness of continuing to have jefferson davis' statue in a very prominent place in our state capitol. >> mcconnell joinings his voice with those of lawmakers in several southern states some of whom also want the confederate flag taken off specialty license plates. in the meantime retailers are removing the confederate symbol from their shelves, k-mart joining ebay sears, walmart and amazon and banning merchandise with the flag even autotrader is careful not to show the confederate battle flag on the general lee from the "dukes of hazard." with me now, republican strategist ana navarro and democratic strategist paul begala. welcome to both of you. ana, i have heard some say this is a watershed moment on race in the united states. seriously? will it really change anythi

someone wrote "black lives matter" over the monument of jefferson davis, a former confederate president. reporter christina head has reaction from people who live there. >> reporter: it was the message that stopped almost everyone who walked or drove by black lives matter boldly spray painted on the jefferson davis monument. >> i don'tgraffiti. i don't agree with defacing public property, but i understand the reason behind it. >> is a monument. it is wrong. understand the confederate flag. i have never owned a confederate flag flag. never wore an item, t-shirt or anything that had one on it. but this is -- this does not further anything. >> reporter: sir james weaver says he was just walking by and stopped in his tracks. he offered this explanation for the graffiti. >> black people general are fed up. >> reporter: city of richmond crews came by to power wash the monument. richmond police tell us they believe the vandalism happened overnight or in the early morning hours but right now nobody is in custody. this man, who does not want to be identified says it's time for everyone to come t

jefferson davis highway.here do you think we should go forward on this? >> if you look back, the goal is to go forward, right? to look back in a way to come to reality about who we are as a nation but to go forward together. i would say to david, who i admire a lot, why would you stop there? the whole country was founded by flavor owners for the most part. here's a question, why would you name the capital of any nation after a slave owner? i think washington, d.c. is appropriately named even though george washington was a slave owner, because when you look at what he did as a whole i think he's earned the right to be called one of the great figures in american history. as to robert e. lee if it wasn't for his leadership after the war, urging his soldiers to lay down their weapons and become good americans, only god knows what would happen after 1865. >> i want to move to the court here. i'm curious to see your reaction. this is what ted cruz said in response to the two court rulings last -- on friday night. >

and just monday we added alabama as a cray state for celebrating the confederacy on jefferson davis daycan change to non-cray if you stop doing cray [beep]. it's so simple it's cray. remember that. except florida. you permanently cray cray. [cheers and applause] >> larry: alright. true is true. cray is cray. true is true. for now we tush our attention to the state of nebraska. what is going on? >> nebraska overriding the governor's veto to be the first conservative state in more than 40 years to abolish the death penalty. [cheers and applause] >> larry: now now calling nebraska conservative is well, putting it a bit conservatively. this is a state that is 90% state white with a republican governor in favor of the death penalty and a 3-1 republican advantage in the straight legislature. how did this happen? i think so right here earnie chambers. it's not morgan freeman don't clap. you can clap for him, it's okay. [laughing] >> larry: no, he's fought against the death penalty since 1976. yes. he has done this 37 times and it was rejected the first 36. those are matumbo numbers. pop pop po

these include jefferson davis and robert e. lee.s to have the states change those statues? >> i think there's nothing wrong with evaluating things from time to time to see whether certain things are still appropriate and whether or not they are sufficiently offensive to many people to at least take a look at it. but again, i think right now i want to concentrate on this flag down there in south carolina. and i'm hoping that the legislature will work with the governor and make sure that happens. by the way i applaud them for doing that but i want also remind people when the flag comes down there are african-americans in south carolina and throughout the country whose voting rights are being interfered with in south carolina where they cannot get medicaid, where through the affordable care act those are the kinds of things that even after the flag comes down people still have to live and so i'm hoping that we address that. by the way, i do want to take a moment to express my sympathy to all those people who died at emanuel church. i'm

-- i do not dispute any of the things you said -- we have republicans taking down statues of jefferson davistch mcconnell made that proposal. how do you feel about that? what is the place for any kind of memorials around the confederacy? should those all be gone lost statues in all public places? reverend butts: i have not thought that deeply about it because it does not really matter. they can stay. if you are going to take down symbols of hatred and bigotry you have to start -- is it the museum of history where teddy roosevelt is riding on his horse and he has a black man under one boot and a native man under the other? that is as racist as that flag is. the symbols are important to be removed. but the kind of -- the discriminations that you see can be addressed. it's only the men and women at the top. i will put all of my resources behind wiping it out. john: in keeping with that point, en toto six and a half years into president obama's presidency, argued disappointed he has not let on this issue or do think he has done as well as can be expected? reverend butts: i think he has done as w

senate majority leader mitch mcconnell of kentucky said a statue of jefferson davis should be taken out of the state capitol rotunda. and in mississippi, the state speaker of the house called for the removal of the confederate emblem from the state flag. we look now at the south of we use this moment to take a look at the south of today with russell moore the president of the southern baptist russell moore is the president of the southern baptist convention's ethics & liberty commission. jack hunter is a radio host and blogger who has used the identity "the southern avenger". and from atlanta is isalla wilkerson, the pulitzer-prize winning author of "the warmth of other suns" about southern black migration. we welcome all three of you to the program. wilson -- russell moore let me start with you. what role does the confederate flag play in the identity of the south today do you believe? >> i think confederate battle flag is a symbol that causes a great deal of division and reminds us of a hurtful legacy and past. i think people see it in different ways. what some people see in the confe

and some in alabama took the day off to celebrate jefferson davis day.

assaulted a 73-year-old woman early this morning in the parking lot of a c vs -- cvs store on jefferson davis highway. investigators say the man spoke briefly to the woman before touching her inappropriately and just walked off. the man was captured on surveillance camera inside the cvs before the incident. >>> in prince george's county police say the man in this surveillance photo assaulted a 6-year-old girl inside a store on riverdale road last friday. detectives say that man touched the victim before she was able to push him away. her parent was in the store but not with her at the time of the assault. >>> coming up next another college student under arrest for plotting a terror attack on behalf of isis. >>> for the second time in a week federal officials have arrested a new york city college student who they call an isis sympathizer. >> kenneth craig reports court documents reveal this 21-year- old is connected to a plot to attack new york city. >> reporter: fbi agents showed up at fareed mumuni's staten island home early tuesday morning to question the college student about a terror plot

. >> now we're at the point comparing thomas jefferson's tour jefferson davis sinecures baking and the jefferson jackson dinner tomorrow. eight talking about asian-americans service is better if we have memorials to them. and with "gone with the wind" there are things now it is like a cultural artifact and it should be watched and examined as such. one i can see where it should be taken down from government buildings because those are from the taxpayers. lot of people find this offensive but the snowball effect but it goes too far with the true meaning when social media gets behind it when you're really forget the way this whole thing started was the death of nine americans in a church. >> the central just as warriors that called for tearing down statues and monuments are doing disrespect to all confederates who has been a boy all to the chicago voters i don't think is fair at all but it is such an overreaction. >> there are artistic works that have technical and artistic merit. we should be grown gephardt -- grown up enough that they may have problematic views. kennedy: what happens i

mitch mcconnel called for a status of jefferson davis to be remove ed from the kentucky state house rotunda. governors in virginia and north carolina wanted the flag off the state license plates as well. there's a push to take confederate flags off state grounds in alabama. some of the nation's biggest retailers will stop selling the merchandise. brick and mortgagers left wal-mart sears, target will stop selling. ebay and etsy are getting rid online. valley forge says it will stop reducing them as well. sales online and in stores like this in alabama. >>> to politics. if you thought the list of 2016 republican candidates was set, think again. the field may get new editions today. bobby jindal will make what he calls a major announcement this afternoon outside new orleans. he would become the first indian american to seek nomination for the white house. chris christie says he could announce as early as next week. christie finished sixth in a poll of the primary. trump is low on the list of who new hampshire republicans prefer to hear from on the debate stage. the poll finds ten candidates ra