this time to kill her lover jeffrey. they read from a letter allegedly written by geiser. >> if you catch him there and he dies there the people will think the wife did the planning to kill him as revenge. >> judge jeanine: chip lewis is the attorney for yvonne stern. thanks for being with us this evening. >> gladly. >> judge jeanine: what is up with your client staying with this guy who is having an affair with a mistress who at the least commissions to have her are murdered three time not to mention he is charged with the facilitation of capital murder. why is she with this guy. >> she he is an intelligent and head strong woman and i assure you it was not a knee jerk reaction. the revealations about the affair were damaging to her and her family and yvonne filed foredivorce immediately. since then we have learned a great deal about both the affair, the attempts on her life and the relationship and yvonne has scene fit to give her husband another chance although he has admittedly cheated on her but she is convinced that

jeffrey is indicted for indicting capital murder. shockingly, yvonne stands by herman. >> i believe in him wholeheartedly. he had nothing to do with this and could not do this. we are victims of a fatal attraction. my husband and i both all of us we have all been victims under this sociopath's spell. >> michelle geiser pleads guilty and in a deal prosecutors agree to a maximum of 25 years in prison in exchange for her testimony against jeffrey. but this week a new twist. >> michelle from her jail cell has plotted yet another murder. >> lawyers for jeffrey stern hold a press conference saying that michelle while in prison tried to hire yet another hit man. this time to kill her lover frr allegedly written by geiser. >> if you catch him there and he dies there the people will think the wife did the planning to kill him as revenge. >> judge jeanine: chip lewis is the attorney for yvonne stern. thanks for being with us this evening. >> gladly. >> judge jeanine: what is up with your client staying with this guy who is having an affair wit

>> no, jeffrey said that's what the gospel writers said, am i correct?that's right. >> quoting the gospels, thank you for the correction, i'm glad to see the principles of scholarship are being enforced here. >> makes a difference. >> you don't believe mary is a virgin or that the gospels make the case that she was a virgin at the time of the birth? >> certainly both -- matthew specifically and luke more subtly claimed that she is a virgin. mark says nothing. and john says nothing about it. and the reason that both matthew and luke introduced that particular aspect or they have a tradition that states that about mary is because they're reading the jewish bible in greek. >> the jewish bible in greek. what was the language that the -- that was translated, the original language? jesus spoke in aramaic, correct? >> probably. >> and that was first translated into hebrew? >> the jewish bible is, for the most part, in hebrew. there are a few parts in aramaic. >> then it was translated into greek for the common man. >> for the greek-speaking common jew in minus

>>> jeffrey dahmer brutally murdered 17 young men and boys. >> once it happened the first time just seemed like it had control of my life from there on in. >> his killing spree lasted more than a decade and the horror didn't stop at murder. >> was there something sexual in the dismemberment of the bodies for you? >> yes it was a sexual part to that. >> why the cannibalism? how could a seemingly normal, midwestern boy grow up to commit such terrible crimes? dahmer's parents struggle to find the answers. >> it's been eternal torment. >> do you feel that you're being blamed? >> yes, i do. >> dahmer agreed to speak with us at the behest of his father, who had just written a revealing book. is there anything in this book that you strongly disagree with? >> yes. >> on the surface, the interview with lionel dahmer was matter of fact. were you holding back your emotions? >> yeah. >> beneath his composure, unbearable pain. >> but they don't realize that i have very deep feelings inside. >> the interview with jeffrey dahmer's mother, joyce, was often contentious. >> don't mean to argue with you. i h

i am really scared. >> i interviewed jeffrey dahmer and his parents at length in 1994. much of what they shared has never been heard until now. msnbc brings you the never-before-seen confessions of a serial killer. >>> thanks for joining us. i'm stone phillips. in february 1994 in portage, wisconsin, i sat down with jeffrey dahmer for his first and as it turned out his last network television interview. his father lionel dahmer had just written a book about his son and he joined us. jeff, as his father called him, was polite and seemed unnervingly normal. rarely had a serial killer spoken in such detail about his crimes or the possible root causes. but this father and son spoke about both, as did dahmer's mother, in a rare interview. as you'll see, even looking back more than a decade later, there are still no easy answers. >> good to see you. >> hi, mr. phillips. >> i was spending the last few days with your folks talking about a lot of different things. >> you're lucky it came up on a day when there's no snow. it was snowing like crazy all weekend. >> is that right? >

serial killer jeffrey dahmer talking about his horrific crimes and trying to figure out for himself why he had such a compulsion to kill. much he made about the home environment in which he grew up and the marital strife for which he was expose throughout his childhood. could he be so affected that it would later drive him to unspeakable crimes? dahmer had strong feelings about that. >> what do you remember about your parents arguing when you were growing up and what effect that had on you? >> it was -- it was unnerving. depressing. it made me angry sometimes. i would leave the house and go out in the woods and sulk, brooding, you know, wondering why they had to have such a rough relationship. most of the time, they didn't seem to get along too well together. i never knew what the real underlying problems were. i didn't feel it was my place to ask. >> did you blame one or the other, mom or dad? >> no. no, i didn't. i was just frustrated that things couldn't be happier around the house. >> you just wanted things to be more peaceful? >> right. right. i never saw any real violent arguments

comes from the attorney for jeffrey stern, who is to stand trial next month. the prosecution says he plotted with his mistress to kill his wife, ion. allegedly hiring hitmen that tried not wasn't, but three times to kill ion stern. the socialite survived each attempt. she is now standing by her man. and looking at a note the mistress wrote to a hitman. >> however you do this, it needs to look like a robbery gone ban. >> reporter: the hit should happen near the sterns' vacation home near aspen. >> the f he dies there, people will think the wife did the planning to kill him as revenge. that would be good. >> reporter: stern's attorney says he turned the note over to

the attorney for jeffrey stern. he read from an intercepted letter, allegedly from gaiser, to a hitman. >> whatever you do, it must not look like a hit. it's going to be accidental death. >> reporter: he says that gaiser planned to kill stern as payback for turning on her. >> so, if you catch him there and he dies there, people will think the wife did the planning to kill him as revenge. >> reporter: the whole thing allegedly unfolded last month in jail. >> however you do this, it needs to look like a robbery. >> reporter: gaiser was interested in getting another woman on her cell block to kill jeffrey stern. and allegedly wrote that detailed four-page letter about how and where to do it. >> obviously, even a close-range shot didn't get rid of the wife. so, you have to shoot elsewhere to finish it. or a knife in the neck. cut the core rot kid artery and it's over. >> reporter: but a friend of the woman gaiser tried to hire tipped off stern and he alerted his attorney. this is all the latest twist in a tale that bega

now guise are from behind bars is accused of planning a hit on jeffrey himself. >> michelle guiser fromail cell has plotted yet another murder. she has solicited an inmail to murder jeffrey stern for $20,000. >> reporter: it says she wrote a four-page letter to an inmate who turned it over last month. i a detail stepbystep guy. whatever you do it must not look like a hit. it's got to be an accidental death. obviously even a close range shot doesn't get rid of the wife, so you have to shoot elsewhere to finish it or a knife in the neck. cut the carotid neck and it's done. >> three separate attempts on yvonne stern's life, now one reportedly on her husband jeffrey. the couple says they are living here with their children in fear. >> the fbi task force confronted ms. guiser last week, and according to the fbi task force, she confessed that the note is in fact hers. >> reporter: the fbi says it can't comment as the case is pending, same from the district attorney's attorney. as for michelle guiser, her attorneys tell nbc news they've just been made aware of the allegations article are raidi

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so, jeffrey is watching. so obamacare the final showdown the u.s.rt could strike the law down today or rule at least parts of it unconstitutional. let's ask this question. is that good or bad? of course that all depends. joining me now is a doctor with a group doctors for america. she supports obamacare. sally pipes is the president of pacific research institute a san francisco base think tank. she write as weekly health care column for forbes.com. she opposes obamacare. so sally let's start with you. you wrote in your recent column the supreme court should strike down the law, the entire law saying that would be the best outcome for american patients. why do you think so? >> well, i think it is the best decision because if they decide to just get rid of the individual mandate we'll have a serious problem because we have issues such as guaranteed issue and community right which means insurers cannot discriminate based on a person's pre-existing condition or charge a different price. i want will cause the insurance industry to go in a downward spiral

jeffrey, let me start with you. take us through those historic moments you were sitting and you were listening -- >> we were practically this close in the courtroom too. i have to tell you the five minutes between 5 of 10:00 and 10:00 were some of the longest five minutes i've ever been through and also some of the most silent. that room nobody was breathing. chief justice roberts said at 10:06 he would deliver the opinion of the court, it was one of these great moments where no one outside of those nine people and the people behind the curtain knew what he was going to say. what made it even more extraordinary is that the beginning of the opinion was so critical of the law. his first summary, his first probably ten minutes of what he was saying was about the commerce clause. and i remember saying to dalia, that's it, it's over. then he went into the taxing power. and you thought, wow, he's really going to hold it up. but you didn't know even as he was going that it was going to be upheld. it was just stunning. >> y

>> jeffrey, thank you. staggering up ins there on unemployment. >>> late today, tim think geithner welcomed word of the new details of spain's request daying they are concrete steps on the path of financial union with the rest of europe. and george will have more on "this week" and what it will mean for the u.s. economy. >>> and now another developing story, this is washington where a criminal investigation is under way looking into who is leaking some of the nation's national security secrets and wall. and there is talk, this is a case of protecting secrets versus political gain in election year. here is pierre thomas. >> reporter: at issue leaks in recent weeks, about some of the nation's most sensitive secrets including disclosures about a double agent who had infiltrated al qaeda and broke up a new plot to bomb u.s. airplanes. other secrets made public u.s. attempts to assassinate al qaeda leaders in yemen with drone strikes and the publication about u.s. efforts to cripple iran's nuclear program with a

jeffrey, thank you so much. carlos lopez and we attended last week, you and i, the largest latino convention in the country, and many of othose people felt that the president was headed in the right direction when it comes to immigration policy, and does he get credit now for challenging arizo arizona's tough immigration policy? >> well, 5-33 and the argument that the government made -- 5-3, and the argument that the government made is that it preempts the rights of the states, and now we go into the show me your papers clause and that is going to scare people, and especially latinos and latinos especially in arizona. but yes, a law enforcement officer can inquire about the immigration stat stus us if the believe they are in the country illegally, but they cannot deport them, but report them to the immigration officials. and this is a mixed verdict, and as jeffrey said, it will be a ruling that backs the government, but not many were satisfied by the arguments made by the governmentt the supreme court circled on

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jeffrey thompson has remained out of the public eye since the raid. federal agencies made electrotonic -- electronic copies. over the years thompson has donated and raised millions of dollars for political causes. prosecutors have refused to discuss the investigation into thompson, which is believed to be focused on campaign donations and his degrees with citi officials. jeff thompson's attorney, brendan sullivan, has declined all comment. >>> former dc councilman harry thomas jr. reports to federal prison wednesday. thomas was given a 38-month sentence for stealing $350,000 which should have gone to the city youth baseball programs last friday he told a packed michigan park christian church he has been humbled by the experience. news cameras were not allowed inside the church. at age 51, harry thomas will serve his time at a federal prison in montgomery, alabama. >>> a bailout party has won in greece. however the new democracy party has won the majority of seats and will likely be able to put together a bailout coalition. >>> well the presidential ca

there was a soldier named thomas jeffreys. thomas it turns out, if you go in the roles you won't find this but in the back of cyrus boyd's diary he has a cast of characters, he talks like tiny biographical sketch of everybody in his regimen. thomas was a local black man. he enlisted and faced a lot of resistance, some thought it was a good idea, some didn't. she accepted, then dies of typhus. my point about jeffreys -- pardon -- i know. exactly. i'd love to tell enthusiasm is a happy story, it's really not. what it does say is that there's a clear attempt from the beginning on the part of black men to serve in the union army and they do serve in the union navy and merchant marine. but to be rebuffed from the army officially is enormously significant. and that's the official army line. really for more than a year for the beginning of the war. the bar was officially lifted against black enlistment by the militia act of july 1862. well, sort of lifted. it's lifted in that the militia act allows the president to accept offers of s

jeffrey toobin famously predicted disaster.alberto gonzales said he thought the law would be upheld. whether justice roberts' opinion today represents the kind of judicial modesty he promised during his confirmation hearing. judge gonzales, let me start with you. you basically called this yesterday. saying judge roberts would side with some of the liberals on the court. it didn't come down exactly as you thought. how so? >> well, you're right, we ended up where i thought we might be but i was surprised. i really thought chief justice would bring justice kennedy with him. i really felt the court would defer the question of the mandate because they would wait till 2014 or 2015 when someone is actually injured. it didn't turn out that way. >> and, jeff, as you know, one of the hazards of our business is these video libraries. everything we say can come back to bite us. i want to take you back to march after oral arguments when you said this. >> this was a train wreck for the obama administration. this law looks like it's going to

jeffrey goad is a 50-year-old from millington and is a three-time offender that must register for life after abusing a miner. >>> the man accused of killing another man and eating his heart and brain has been indicted. 21-year-old alexander kinyua is charged with first-degree murder. he has been transferred to clifton perkins hospital for a mental-health evaluation. that is in order from the judge. police say that he was charged and may and admitted to eating parts of his roommate after killing him. >>> the parents of a boy who was attacked by a pit bull testified today before a panel of lawmakers. they are part of a task force put together by the highest court. pit bulls are inherently dangerous. the father of the boy said that the ruling should stand but animal support groups and supporters of pit bulls raised their voices against the ruling. if it stands after the task force's review, pit bull owners could be liable for dog bites without any previous incidents. >>> we have an update tonight on a recent attack involving l8w another pit bull. also 9-year-old child last month, the vict

he is not controversial in ohio where they know jeffrey helmick the most. he is not controversial in the toltoledo impar association. he is not croafsial in ohio. he is not controversial among people who know jeffrey helmick hoves who have watched him personally in his service to community, who have watched him professional lay in the way that he does his job as a lawyer in toledo, ohio, in northwest, ohio, in federal court or in state court. so the fact is he is not a controversial nominee. he is only a controversial nominee in the united states senate and in some places in washington, d.c. but he's qualified -- we know he's qualified, ready to serve. i ask my colleagues to vote today to confirm jeffrey helmick to the united states federal court, northern district of eowe. enorthern district of o. ohio. i yield the floor. mr. leahy: mr. president, i yield back the remainder of the time and ask for the yeas and nays. the presiding officer: is there a sufficient second? there appears to be. the clerk will call the roll. vote: vote: vote: vote: the presiding

police arrested jeffrey reagan and his alleged dealer today. they have been investigating him since 2010 when they first got word that he might be pushing steroids. police do not know if any of his teammates are using drugs. >> both president obama and mitt romney made stops in ohio today. i had a chance to talk to diane sahler about votes 2012. i know you are beginning with presidential politics in the showdown in ohio. >> we are. tonight, the showdown on a number one issue in this country, the economy. and president obama verses governor romney today in ohio, pretty amazing. they appeared minutes apart. we will tell everyone the difference in what they would do for this country coming out. >> and father's day is sunday and you have a heartwarming story tonight. >> this is such a beautiful story. i hope everyone sees it. a father gives up his home, his business everything, to pursue his daughter's dream for her. that is tonight right after you. >> as always diane thank you so much. it had a great night. you can watch that right after abc7 news

sanjay gupta and jeffrey too by.ve been talking about the politics and the law, but there are questions now about the practicality. what does this mean for everybody out there as it's implemented over the next few years? >> as you point out, it's not going to happen tomorrow. this is a process. for good reason. because there's a lot of moving parts here. basic -- couple of basic points here. first of all, they're saying, people have to have health care insurance now. if you can afford it, you have to buy it. if you can't afford it, you may get tax credits or may qualify for med case. and if you don't do those things, then you'll face a penalty. or a tax, as you've been talking about throughout the show. i want to give you some of these numbers here. i don't know if people understand some of these numbers. as far as the penalty or tax goes, in year 2014, when this is implemented, for an individual, that penalty will be $95 or 1% of your income, whichever's greater. by the year 2016, it would go up to $695, again, for

therey reagan -- we have latest on the investigation. 43-year-old jeffrey re agan was arrested underds. >> to have a coach do something reprehensible, to least. reagan is out on bond. answered at his home. police say they picked him up supplier -- his alleged supplier when they met chantilly shopping center. reagan recently taught in years, ale and for coached at south county high. they know better than to get near performance enhancing drugs. it is bad overall. >> police say there is no that he sold steroids to students. the committee remains stunned. is, it is quite shocking. it is -- i am appalled. parentsrincipal insured that coach jeffrey not spend any time student athletes during his and is no period associated with the program. thank you. in the race for the white house. ohio.g speeches in president obama argued the furtherwill grow with programson domestic part by raising taxes on the wealthy. he accused republicans of plotting to cut spending in a that would hurt the middle class. mr. oramas spent the evening at cityd-raiser in new york by actress sarah jessica parker. said

jeffrey kaufman tells us it is a verdict that is much harder than expected. >> after 29 years of brutal dictatorship, torture and murders, finally egypt's fallen president was held to account. wheeled into a cairo courtroom on a hospital journey and locked in a cage as the verdict was read, his two sons watched nervously. >> mubarak was found guilty by association for failing to stop the murder of unarmed protestors during the uprising in 2011 that ultimately overthrew him. almost 1,000 people died in that uprising. when the verdict life in prison was announced, the crowd outside the courtroom erupted. some jubilant, some angry that he wasn't sentenced to death and that his sons weren't acquitted. >> these people should have been executed in revolution square, said this man, because people got killed. the verdict was watched closely by people across egypt, which is still struggling to establish a stable post mubarak government. the final round of the first democratic election will be held in two weeks, pitting a conservative muslim against mubarak's own former prime minister, an unappet

. >> before jeffrey goldstein buys anything at the store like this swim shirt he whips out his phone,p to scan the bar code and compares it for the lowest price online. >> i will take a look at everything on the shopping list. >> reporter: it's what they call scan and scram or showrooming and it is changing the retail landscape. >> this is the new window shopping. >> reporter: shoppers price checking tvs, clothing, even wedding rings, this jewelry store which says it offers the same rings major chains do for less was surprised to see that 8% of its customers purchase their things through their phones. >> the deal they want, they are ready to jump on it because they have been educated, though know what's out there. >> reporter: how many are scanning and scramming? one study found that 20 25% use their phones in a store to see where they could find an item for less and 5% bought the item online. amazon and e-bay have apps to make it easier. >> it's frustrating to the stores to see it happening. >> reporter: so frustrate what when some weekend undercover showroom one store kicked them ou

the same from the attorney's office prosecuting jeffrey stern. they told nbc news they have just been made aware of the allegations and they are investigating adding she, michelle, knows better than anyone that the entire scheme against yvonne was concocted by jeffrey stern. so far the district attorney has yet to charge her with any crime for aldly trying to put a hit out on jeffrey stern. for his part he goes on trial in the houston area next month for the three attempts on his wife's life. they live together in this home behind me. she will be at the trial in support of him next month. matt, this is a strange case at that. back to you. >> sounds like a fun bunch. thank you very much. >>> it's 34 after the hour. here is ann. >> a toddler in lubbock, texas, is lucky to be alive after being reject fredded from an suv in a dramatic crash. natalie with that story. >> good morning, ann. that came after a police chase when a young man was robbed at gunpoint. what police did not know at the time, there was a one-year-old girl in the back of the vehicl

corruption. 9news now learned jeffrey thompson put his home up for sale. the very same house that was raided by the fbi last march is part of a sweeping federal investigation. the four bedroom colonial now being shown to the public is located in the crestwood neighborhood of northwest. asking price, just under $1.2 million. as for jeffrey thompson, he remains in seclusion tonight since that raid. reports say federal agents seized more than 60 documents. over the years, thompson donated and raised millions of dollars for charitable causes and the political campaigns of d.c. mayors and council members. prosecutors refused to discuss the investigation into thompson, which is believed to be focused on campaign donations and dealings with city officials. his attorney, brendan sullivan, declined all comment. >>> former d.c. councilman, harry thomas, jr., reports to a federal prison in alabama on wednesday. last night, family, friends, and a few political figures packed the church in northeast washington to help send the one powerful ward 5 legislator off. thomas

jeffrey kofman joins us from london with the details. jeffrey? >> reporter: this verdict, this trial, would have never happened two years ago. mubarak, found guilty of failing to stop the killing of civilians during an uprising. mubarak, 84, has been held in a cairo hospital. today, he was taken by helicopter to a prison outside cairo, where he will serve that life sentence. ron? >> jeffrey kofman reporting from london. hosni mubarak sentenced to life in prison. >>> and the largest wildfire in new mexico's history is still growing. more than 1,200 firefighters is battling that blaze, which has charred 340 square miles. it's only about 15% contained, that blaze. six people have been injured in the fire. >>> we get more insight into the divisions or the decisions in the john edwards trial. most of the jurors said they believed john edwards was not guilty. one of the jurors said there were a few holdouts that would not agree. >> there were a few days that got really tense. on the tense side. but like i said, as the day's end, everybody was like a bi

jeffrey kofman. >>> now, we turn to the news from our abc news family, robin roberts, our north star of "good morning america," five years ago staring down breast cancer. well, today, she told everyone about a new challenge, a jolt she absorbed privately and with incredible strength so she could keep her commitment to her team before telling everyone today. this is the measure of robin roberts. even though life has just thrown her another big curve, couldn't see it on her face when she interviewed the president and raced to california for another interview and then back on the red eye, to celebrate "good morning america" as the top morning show on tv. it was finally this morning, she talked to her friends the viewer. >> we are a family. >> it's a diagnosis called myelodysplastic syndrome. mds. >> if you're looking at, wow, i was doing the same thing, it is a rare blood disorder that affects the bone marrow. >> it helped her beat breast cancer five years ago. with a change in the blood cells and platettes. in the months ahead, she'll be undergoing treatment to prepare for a transplant

. >> like jeffrey sachs said four years ago, god bless jeffrey sachs for getting it right, al they'reng with the spending, buying all the lobster and steak and buying all the cotton candy available at golden corral, all they're doing is reinventing a bubble that will burst. >> true. >> and jeffery sacks said it four years ago. jeffrey sachs, supporter of this administration, four years ago said all they're doing spending money wildly, not vincing in the sort of -- not investing in the things that will grow the economy and jeffrey said three years from now, you watch, all of this reckless, reckless spending, that they enacted upon during the stimulus will run out and our economy will go back down and i'll be dammed if he's not 100% correct. >> and to expand the menu, to get into the bacon ice cream cones and everything like that, without talking to the two principal owners, simpson and bowles, and getting something done with simpson and bowles, in order to, you know, maintain a sensible budget -- >> that's a problem. >> we continue this metaphor. >> i lost it like five minutes ago at t

and we must confirm jeffrey helmick, madam president. he has the support of his colleagues and from republicans and democrats in my home state. madam president, one more brief story. i came to the senate as the presiding officer did in january of 2007. soon after i came to the senate i was presented with the nomination of a potential federal judge, now judge leroy from canton, ohio. judge lehoy hoping to be a judge, i believe she was a common police judge -- i don't remember for sure at the time -- and she had been selected by two republican senators, senator dewine, who is my predecessor, and senator voinovich, neither of whom is in the senate today, she had been selected and vet bid two republican senators in a process not nearly as bipartisan or i don't think as vigorous as ours or as rigorous as ours. nominated by president bush, sent to the united states senate as the senator, as the senator from ohio i had the opportunity, if i had chosen, to block ms. lehoy's appointment. the chairman of the judiciary committee, controlled by the

joining me now is jeffrey rosen, law professor at george washington university and legal editor of "thenew republic" and ian millhiser. he was inside the courtroom today. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> jeff, let me start with you. jeff rosen. the chief justice said the law's individual mandate was constitutional. he wrote quote, the law's requirement that individuals pay a penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. because the constitution permits such a çtax, it is not our rol to forbid it. was that the sentence that saved the health care law? >> that is absolutely the sentence that saved the health care law. lots of people have been focusing on a different provision of the constitution. did congress have the power to regulate interstate commerce broadly enough that would justify the mandate. but in the end, chief justice roberts casting a historic tie-breaking vote with the liberal justices. saying he did not think it could be justified under congress's power, it could be under the clear power to tax. that was the crucial decision